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light show on social media why because

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ascension conference Sunday night last

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phone and I'm videotaping so it was Rita

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conference last night but today the

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Google will now shut down is shutting

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initiative and it's called project

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strobe well Google decided to shut down

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software glitch this is Google a

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software glitch gave developers access

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find out about Google+ and and what what

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was nice knowing ya the biggest company

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just gonna say it now I don't care Bruno

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Mars is 33 years old happy birthday

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Bruno Matt Damon I'll say it too Matt

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Damon today is 48 and if you haven't

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you need to go and see it it's it's a

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great movie but there is a scene that

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back of a pickup truck now with his

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buddy I think they're fishing are they

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but that scene is cinema gold the

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outtakes and are great because it's

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all right Chevy Chase today is 75 and

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also today Sigourney Weaver is 69 on

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Oh tibi now Deadpool one is not better

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than Deadpool - Deadpool - slams

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great I understand history OTD 1967 che

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guevara

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is defeated in a skirmish with a special

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detachment of the Bolivian army Guevara

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was wounded captured and executed the

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next day but his t-shirts were not

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seriously

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alright fader fact that why is it that

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every year Che Guevara

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like to talk about his t-shirts it's so

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funny you know I don't even know if

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those wearing the Che Guevara t-shirts

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know anything about Che Guevara right

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but they think the shirt looks cool so

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they wear it I'm just saying I'm just

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saying st. and then then I make those

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comments and then inevitably the email

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comes flooding in whatever man

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it's still funny all right fader fact

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this is vetted this is real all right

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the Russian this is a fact the Russians

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showed up twelve days late to the 1908

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Olympics in London because they were

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using the Julian calendar instead of the

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Gregorian calendar and I'm not making

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this up

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that is your fader fact all right

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tonight it's night one of our Egypt week

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here on fade to black

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that's right my new saves a day is here

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we're gonna talk about a new report that

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was published today written by him about

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new chambers in the Great Pyramid and

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how to find them there's a lot more

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tonight with maynooth at we're gonna go

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through it's going to be an unbelievable

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start to the week tomorrow night right

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here Christopher Dunn is finally on fade

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to black can you believe it Christopher

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Dunn tomorrow night Wednesday night

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artist Brad Claussen

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is here I can't believe this three

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first-time guests

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three world-class guests all discussing

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Egypt this week I'm gonna close out the

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week with Brad Claussen on Wednesday

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night

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unbelievable Thursday is another Fator

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night with open lines all night long now

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oh man I gotta hit this coffee River

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moon coffee

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fade to black blend also Wednesday night

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brat bright Clawson is here I know you

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guys are you know I'll just say it now

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how cool is it that's that's my birthday

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and I have Brad Claussen on the show

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yeah yeah yeah man I love my job what do

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we know today and what do we know today

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about anything think about that for a

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second and I know that I always say we

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know nothing nothing and although that

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is actually true on every front from

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ancient history to space in the universe

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right I mean just a big chunk of

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everything right there we know nothing

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what is happening is that the more that

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we discover the more that we find out

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that we're not only wrong but that we

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know less and less as we discover things

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and I know it seems conflicting I know

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that but it's really true

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let me explain let me help you through

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this this is everything that fade the

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black is about this is how my brain

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the reason for this nobody knows I'm

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gonna repeat that about five times

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tonight the reason for this nobody knows

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I went back and checked my show notes

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from five years ago my show notes

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because I was starting to think about

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the numbers that I quote today I was

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like well you know that's changed right

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someone went looked at some numbers that

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were current at the time and I would

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quote them and one of them and this is

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really strange this is five years ago

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one of them at the time was that there

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are 100 billion stars in our Milky Way

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yeah five years ago now if you check

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around depending on the source if you

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check around and you go back five years

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just just go to the wayback machine and

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look that was the number that was

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quoting today depending on the source

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that number is around five hundred

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billion and up by the way in our own

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Milky Way you have to ask yourself how

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could that be how can that doesn't make

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him use it but that's actually the truth

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now in our Milky Way and the reason for

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this I'll say it again is that nobody

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knows nobody knows nobody knows how many

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stars are in the Milky Way every star

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has not been counted or named think

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about it that would mean that there is a

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list somewhere compiled of 500 billion

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named stars it doesn't exist so nobody

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knows but they are guessing about this

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and I get that I understand but the more

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that we know about our Milky Way in the

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universe and these numbers are

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increasing the less that we know we

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didn't know five years ago that there

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were 400 billion additional stars in our

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Milky Way

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apparently so the last

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the more that we know the less that we

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know it's crazy if you take this this

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idea this germ of an idea and you take

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it to the next level which is the

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planets in our Milky Way that's right if

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you take the same idea you have the same

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issues in that the numbers have grown in

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the last five years now there's lots of

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reason for this but the main reason for

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this is that we just don't know we don't

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know just five years ago the amount of

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exoplanets that we were talking about

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today we talked about 4,500 to 5,000

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next year it'll be ten thousand of

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twenty thousand it's gonna grow

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exponentially the year after that it's

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going to be twenty thousand forty

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thousand planets you know and with the

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d-wave computer and quantum computing

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and the way the computing is going to

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start to compile these numbers and

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crunch these numbers the it's gonna get

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to an extraordinarily huge number very

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shortly but ten years ago we were

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talking about 15 years ago we're talking

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about 10 exoplanets we just don't know

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the amount of planets in the Milky Way

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now and you have to remember the rogue

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stars that are out there just you know

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that we look at our own solar system and

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we have what 8 9 10 11 12 planets right

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we don't know for sure but if each star

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out there has one planet or eight now

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we're just talking about an

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extraordinarily huge number that we knew

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nothing about a short time ago and as we

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move forward we're finding out that we

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know less and less not only about our

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own solar system because now we're

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adding planets our own Milky Way right

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and then we jump outside of that and the

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same problems exist

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right when you expand out and you keep

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going depending on who you listen to

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right now different physicists and

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astronomers they quote different numbers

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but five years ago it was 500 there are

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50 to 100 billion galaxies in our

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universe strange enough that it was the

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same number of stars in our Milky Way

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okay now they are saying today depending

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on who you listen to speak or what

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papers you that there are 500 billion to

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a trillion galaxies in our universe now

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how can that be and we have the same

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thing applying here everything that I

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just said about our Milky Way right that

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there are not 500 billion named and

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cataloged galaxies they it just doesn't

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exist

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they are guessing now think about how

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freaking large of a list you would have

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if you were compiling all of the stars

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in each of these galaxies in our own and

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then the galaxies themselves these lists

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these numbers think about how huge they

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would be it's actually bordering on

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numbered insanity it's crazy if we

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reverse the same process and apply the

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same methodology to our own earth and

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history we find out the same thing is

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happening right here the more we learn

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the less we know it's crazy I know right

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we know less and less as we look at the

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universe our Milky Way we don't less and

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less and we don't know what's causing

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the expansion if it is expanding if it's

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stationary if it's real we don't we just

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don't know we don't know what those

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energies are but if we reverse that and

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we bring it all back to earth and go go

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down

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to the atomic and subatomic levels we

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know less and less there - the more that

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we find out the more that we learn we

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find out that we just don't know

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we don't quantum theory and quantum

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mechanics absolutely crushes everything

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today it crushes everything how is it

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possible the more that we learn today

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with with with archeology in history on

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our own planet how is it that we don't

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know how our ancestors built a simple

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wall sure albeit with huge multi-ton

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blocks but we don't know how it got done

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I'm telling you we know nothing and

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that's on our own planet let alone the

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universe we actually don't have any idea

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it's all guesswork it is there's nobody

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that can tell you how these stones were

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quarried how they were moved how they

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were transported how they were carved

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how they were fitted nobody knows they

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don't I'm not talking about a simple

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brick wall in front of your house I'm

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talking about something that our

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ancestors built and we don't understand

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so the same the very same mind work

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looking at the universe applies right

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here on earth the more we learn the less

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we know and these are exciting times

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tonight

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Manu saves my day is here and some of

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the most important work of the last 25

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to 30 years going back to Jacques John

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Anthony West of course Robert Bauval and

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and Graham Hancock and others Randall

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Carlson some of this work my new has

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been at the center of it and the ideas

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that have been presented over the last

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30 years are not only some of the most

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exciting but they are starting to come

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to pass we are starting to figure things

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out everything that we thought we

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new is now changed everything is getting

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turned upside down and as we move

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forward here with the work of Manu and

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others we're starting to find out the

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answers to these critical questions

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about our very own past that either the

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answers have been there all along and

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they've been held from us or they didn't

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know and we are starting to fill in

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those blanks but these are very very

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exciting times and this is exactly why

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we do fade to black right here so this

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is this is night one of Egypt week here

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on fade to black it's gonna be a great

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night every single night

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three nights three world-class

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first-time guests and I cannot wait to

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get to the end of the week to Fator

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night so we can sit around with all of

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you and talk about these shows that are

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about to go down this week this is fade

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to black

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I am your host Jimmy church tonight my

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new saves my day tomorrow night right

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here Christopher Dunne Wednesday night

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Brad Claussen is gonna be here and of

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course Thursday night is Fator night

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with open lines all night long fade to

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black

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bespoke radio for the masses I'm the

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game changer network in kgr a the planet

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you can follow me on twitter at Jay

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Church radio and I'll be right back with

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physical sciences trained in

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microbiology and molecular genetics he

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became interested in Egyptology after

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reading Robert Bauval 'he's the orion

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mystery like most of us did my news book

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is the idea be i'd the architectural

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design of Khufu's Great Pyramid it

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deciphers how the timing of the most

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the ancient Egyptians first became

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geometry and then the core design of the

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most famous monument in the world the

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Great Pyramid the conclusion is

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unmistakable my newest co-authored

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articles with Robert Schoch and Robert

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Bauval where they explore the true

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origin of the Great Sphinx a quest that

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led them all to get another ancient

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Egyptian creation story and the code

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that started it all his website is

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Cheops pyramid calm and I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black my new says Friday my new good

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evening how are you hello Jimmy it's

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good to be here

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yeah now just just for me say the title

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of your book the hannam ray Hiraki cycle

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that's why I didn't say it nice you know

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I I just didn't want to I didn't want to

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do a performing injustice here on the

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show but this is the thing well let's

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get one thing out of the way first

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you're a first-time guest so we've got

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to do the first-time guests disclaimer

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so let's do that which is my new it's

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just you and I sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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end his friends there you go you ready

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you got a deal now I first off you're

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here in Southern California

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you were hanging out with Robert Schoch

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this weekend at the portal to ascension

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conference down in Irvine we were there

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last night we missed each other and I

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just cannot believe I called Robert

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yesterday right on the way down and

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Katie we're coming down let's hang out

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let's you know let's you know and and it

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turns out they were already on a plane

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back to Boston and and and we missed

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them and we missed you and we were so

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close right but I know we just passed

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each other but we'll catch up next time

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yeah we certainly will and I look

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forward to it now this is the thing and

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I'm gonna start we're gonna go backwards

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before we go forward so let's let's jump

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way back very few people and I've had

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this conversation with Robert and jaws

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John Anthony West many times but very

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few people get an opportunity to change

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the world and Robert and jaws certainly

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did just that they tipped the earth

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shifted a degree on its on its axis back

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in 1993 there's no question about it and

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this these things help shape careers and

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and people to like yourself but before

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that because we're gonna come right back

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to that point before that did you have a

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general interest in in gisa and ancient

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history just you know just like a

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regular consumer of Discovery Channel

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History Channel you know I was I I've

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always been sort of interested in

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history but nothing even close to what

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I'm doing now I mean Jimmy you have no

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idea the last two years it's a complete

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life change right yeah it's it's crazy

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how did you how did the relationship

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start with with you know I like to say

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the boys you know the the whole you know

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jaws in shock and above all and Hank

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and you know Randall Carlson right the

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unbelievable group I had a panel I

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mentioned this to you before the show

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but a couple of years ago at contact in

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the desert I hosted an ancient Egypt

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panel ancient history panel with with

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Bauval Graham Hancock Robert Schoch all

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on the same panel yeah those three guys

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and I think Linda oh yeah right right

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right

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all there at the same time and it was

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such an honor but how did you

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relationships start with them I went on

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a cruise last year heaven heaven to

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earth cruise to Croatia mm-hmm and

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that's how I met Robert Duvall and

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Graham Hancock and it was a very nice

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setting very private maybe 35 guests or

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so and it was during that cruise that

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Robert he was just coming out with

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origins of the Sphinx which by the way

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is a fantastic book without origins of

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the Sphinx I wouldn't be sitting here

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talking to you tonight yeah it's a great

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book I have it here yeah yeah it's

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amazing so he gave it to me um and and

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then I you know I read the book I think

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it took maybe I don't know three days

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four days and I had the book read and

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something caught my attention in a book

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and so Robert and I we you know we sort

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of made a date for contact in the desert

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and so I told him about something that I

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wanted to talk to him about and we

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didn't have time to talk about it then

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and so we postponed it to the next

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meeting which just happened I think it

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was three weeks later in Sedona and that

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was cosmic origins meeting and and

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that's when it happened so we were

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sitting one morning over breakfast it

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was and that's also I met Robert Schoch

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by the way that was the first time I met

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him so we were sitting over breakfast

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and I I presented this and I think it

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didn't take more than a minute for me to

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get this out and and then there was just

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this amazing moment you know when time

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slows down and you feel like you in slow

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motion and you can hear every single

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beat of your heart

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sure

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and we were looking at each other and we

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just knew we have something and and that

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became them a heat paper that came out a

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couple of months later and that's kind

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of how things started now how were you

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able to this is a very serious question

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- and I'm sure you've thought about this

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how are you able to have them take you

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right I mean yeah that like you have

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these credentials you get them to take

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you serious well let me just up the ante

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real quick you know Robert Bauval has

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sort of a rule you have to get it out in

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30 seconds otherwise it can't be you

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know it's not it has to hit you over the

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head the first moment yeah that's right

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00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:40,760
that good and I think you know this

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happened because I posted something on

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Facebook and you know Robert and I are

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Facebook friends you know with Robert

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Schoch Robert Wow and I think he saw it

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and it's somehow it caught his attention

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I mean you have to ask him that's

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probably the best way but I think from

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my perspective that's how it happened he

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saw it on Facebook and then so he had

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some time to mull over it and then when

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we met a contact in the desert you know

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00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,690
he actually told me he wanted to hear

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00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,000
about this and we didn't have time it

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00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:09,440
was a busy meeting as you know you were

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00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:13,220
there and so we postponed it and so it

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then it basically happened a few weeks

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00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:18,590
later what is it let's talk about some

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singular things here when we look at

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because all of them would not find this

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unique all of them have their own

816
00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:32,030
approach to looking at Giza some of it

817
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:36,680
conflicts some of it overlaps but all of

818
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:39,410
it suggests that either we are being

819
00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:41,810
lied to their suppressed information or

820
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:45,080
that historians don't know anything

821
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:49,490
anyway so yeah I mean but but that's so

822
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:51,010
for each one of them let's

823
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:55,630
with Bauval what's the one thing that he

824
00:42:02,730 --> 00:41:59,920
brings to the table for you he has yeah

825
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:02,740
he has an eye for things that it's just

826
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:05,380
amazing he you know I mean this is

827
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:07,300
origins of the Sphinx for example I was

828
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:09,640
reading that and he was talking about I

829
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:11,770
don't you know I I want people to read

830
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,780
it because I can't do it justice talking

831
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:14,800
about it but I'll just give you one

832
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:18,160
little sample he was talking about the

833
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:20,350
dream Stila between the paws of the

834
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,180
Sphinx and he that is and it is an

835
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:28,020
important observation that basically is

836
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:31,030
part of his argument that he develops in

837
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:33,910
that in those chapters and I had looked

838
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:37,000
at this Thea I don't know 10 15 20 times

839
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:40,260
and that never never occurred to me and

840
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,790
you know this is the cut this is what he

841
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,800
does he just has this ability to just

842
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:47,680
grasp something and it's sometimes it's

843
00:42:52,050 --> 00:42:49,720
really it's really simple and elegant

844
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:52,060
but nobody sees it it's just you know

845
00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:54,460
like you're Ryan correlation theory he

846
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:55,720
was camping out in the desert and he

847
00:43:00,600 --> 00:42:58,210
looked up in the sky and he sees he sees

848
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:00,610
the belt stars and he says oh my god

849
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:01,930
that's Giza mm-hmm

850
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:03,790
you know and I mean there must have been

851
00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:05,800
you know there's thousands of years or

852
00:43:10,620 --> 00:43:08,230
let's say 2000 years of people have

853
00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:10,630
looked up in the Stars and nobody's ever

854
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:13,360
thought about this and that's that's

855
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:14,890
what he brings to the table he has that

856
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:17,110
amazing you know brilliance about

857
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:18,670
himself that he can just see something

858
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:21,220
through all the the web in the haze and

859
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:24,700
he just nails it well as the outdoors

860
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:26,470
what was the point that he brought out

861
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:31,150
about the dream Stella he he well there

862
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:34,090
are two there are two sphinxes on the

863
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:38,980
dream Stella and there are in front of

864
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,640
each depiction is you know the image of

865
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:45,040
Thutmose the fourth and you know

866
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:46,510
Egyptologists they look at that and

867
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:48,490
saying that's just art you know artistic

868
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:50,670
symmetry that you show two sphinxes and

869
00:43:55,740 --> 00:43:52,510
Robert picked up something very

870
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:55,750
interesting on the you know on the

871
00:44:00,690 --> 00:43:57,850
northern Sphinx so on the right side

872
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:00,700
basically you notice that there is a

873
00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:04,570
libation icon so that pose

874
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:06,580
actually you know sort of pouring water

875
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:10,810
into a vase and he made a connection

876
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:13,540
between that and something on the

877
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:18,010
Dendera zodiac which is a depiction of

878
00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:21,130
Aquarius happy that's right in ancient

879
00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:24,940
Egyptian and and from there he launches

880
00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:28,540
this incredible argument and it's just

881
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:30,940
mind-boggling I I would have never been

882
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,350
able to to figure it out but he did the

883
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:40,000
I kind of want to stay in the dream

884
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:41,710
Stella for a second and then we're gonna

885
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:43,930
move on the what I find interesting

886
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:46,510
about that well first off the second

887
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:49,570
Sphinx but if we take what we do know

888
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:53,380
about the dream Stella and and what we

889
00:44:58,890 --> 00:44:55,330
know about the Great Sphinx it's quite

890
00:45:02,430 --> 00:44:58,900
simply and this gets lost so much in the

891
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:02,440
discussions but the Sphinx was buried

892
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:06,730
and not only was it was it buried but

893
00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:11,410
nobody for a couple of thousand had no

894
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:14,830
clue what was underneath the sand they

895
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:16,510
just thought it was this head that was

896
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:18,250
sticking up and they walked by it every

897
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:20,590
day and nobody thought about that's

898
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:24,130
working right well yes if you just take

899
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:27,370
that simple thought and and consider a

900
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:29,530
second Sphinx and look at the Giza

901
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,800
Plateau you don't have nobody has any

902
00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:35,200
idea what's underneath that sand and the

903
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:37,660
possibility of a second Sphinx being

904
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:39,910
buried somewhere out there probably on

905
00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:41,260
the west side of the Great Pyramid

906
00:45:48,570 --> 00:45:46,060
that's my guess but nobody knows and

907
00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:48,580
it's it's that you can't say that

908
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:51,070
there's only one Sphinx you don't know

909
00:45:55,950 --> 00:45:53,290
you don't know that is fact you just

910
00:45:57,930 --> 00:45:55,960
slightly don't and that's what I get out

911
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:57,940
of the dream Stella and I've always had

912
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:00,700
that one singular thought you know

913
00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:02,680
there's a reason why there was a there's

914
00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:05,590
two sphinxes mentioned many times - it's

915
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:08,590
not just a dream Stella but but we don't

916
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:09,910
know what's out there on the west side

917
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:14,700
or for many square miles around the

918
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:17,050
pyramid complex where there could be a

919
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:18,090
second Sphinx at

920
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:19,740
we make sense right you're absolutely

921
00:46:25,310 --> 00:46:22,260
correct there are actually depictions of

922
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:25,320
a double-headed Sphinx with you know a

923
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:27,630
common like a chimera a common body two

924
00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:30,900
heads and they depict sort of the you

925
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,150
know the underworld and you know one

926
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,480
entry is in is on the west side and the

927
00:46:41,570 --> 00:46:38,700
other entry is on the east side and that

928
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:41,580
is exactly consistent with what you're

929
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:42,900
saying and so you know next time you

930
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:45,150
talk to Robert you should that's a great

931
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:47,450
topic for a discussion of course Robert

932
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:50,730
is proposing that the second thing is

933
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:52,950
sings this in the sky so the dream

934
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:54,870
Stella is showing one Sphinx on the

935
00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:57,510
ground and one is in the sky and the one

936
00:47:04,610 --> 00:47:00,440
in the sky is Leo and that's how he

937
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:04,620
develops the theme in origins you know

938
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:08,700
that that the whole Giza Plateau is

939
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:12,330
basically a shrine to another time you

940
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,870
know Zep tepi but the new the new idea

941
00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:17,460
that comes on book and I don't want to

942
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:18,870
give it away because I want you guys to

943
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:23,700
read it is that it ties in with you know

944
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:27,330
dating the whole complex and so and so

945
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:29,730
it's crucial that that connection that

946
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:31,410
he makes that the second things on the

947
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:34,230
dream celia is is maybe a sky's things

948
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:37,410
now let's let's go to a shock and and

949
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,330
jaws i love saying that - by the way

950
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:42,540
shocking jaws with those - we can do it

951
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,090
as a pair or individually what is it

952
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:47,450
that shock brings to the table

953
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:51,450
yeah so you know the thing is I think

954
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:54,030
Egyptologists were sort of in their

955
00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:56,210
comfort zone they used they were

956
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:57,990
archaeological evidence this is what

957
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:01,640
they go by you know pot shards and and

958
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:04,850
inscriptions and then here comes a

959
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:08,640
geologist and he confronts them with

960
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,460
some hard physical data and they're not

961
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:14,220
used to that and so it just turned

962
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:15,180
everything upside down

963
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:18,870
in the early 90s when and it's not just

964
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:21,480
one sec it's not one you know

965
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:23,400
observation it's two independent

966
00:48:28,690 --> 00:48:25,500
observations that corroborate each other

967
00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:28,700
so you have that yeah at the geology on

968
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:31,500
on you know what you see on the outside

969
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:31,980
of

970
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:33,630
the stones but then you also have the

971
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:36,090
geology under this you know inside of

972
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:38,730
the stones under the surface the decay

973
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:41,310
and and these are completely different

974
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,700
ways of dating stone decay and they

975
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:46,380
corroborate each other and this is just

976
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:49,590
that's amazing and it's difficult to you

977
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,710
know to slip out of that out of that

978
00:48:57,830 --> 00:48:55,680
hold that that evidence and you know I

979
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:57,840
mean there is a debate and I I don't

980
00:49:01,400 --> 00:48:59,490
want to be even-handed about it

981
00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:01,410
I've looked I'm looking at this as a

982
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:03,840
layman I'm not a geologist I'm just

983
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:05,430
looking at it from you know like you and

984
00:49:09,830 --> 00:49:08,130
I read looking at the data and I think

985
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:09,840
you know there is a good discussion to

986
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,500
be had there's a debate to be had but at

987
00:49:17,859 --> 00:49:15,060
the end of the day I think it's a

988
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:17,869
compelling case for more studies and

989
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:21,390
this is my my beef with you know

990
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:23,609
Egyptology that we haven't been allowed

991
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:27,420
to do that now and I don't know what the

992
00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:30,540
reasons are it we we debate it every day

993
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:33,240
you know is it suppression is it that

994
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:35,130
they don't know why is it that they're

995
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:38,100
they're trying to keep some of the

996
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:41,100
fringe thoughts and ideas from being

997
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:43,170
investigated you know we can we can

998
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,700
debate that you know this big conspiracy

999
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:47,160
of the education system but whatever the

1000
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:49,800
powers that be and late you know that

1001
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:53,030
can go on forever but sure the facts are

1002
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:56,280
as we look at it today and the more that

1003
00:50:02,870 --> 00:49:59,160
we learn about our own history is that

1004
00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:02,880
the Sphinx is is much much older the

1005
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:05,430
Giza complex is much much older the the

1006
00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:09,480
pyramids are bringing more questions

1007
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:11,670
than answers every single day and we're

1008
00:50:17,420 --> 00:50:15,359
discovering stuff every day and like I

1009
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,430
said yeah the like I said in the opening

1010
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:19,140
statement and I really mean this the

1011
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,970
more that we learn the less that we know

1012
00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:23,280
and that's that's that's really the

1013
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:25,470
truth that's how it should be you know

1014
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:27,270
it should be that's how science I mean I

1015
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:29,070
you know Jimmy I come from a science

1016
00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:32,180
background where these type of

1017
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:34,350
personality I mean you have personality

1018
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:36,600
conflicts but it's just not not even

1019
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:39,450
close to being that way you know I mean

1020
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:41,460
you just if you have a dispute okay so

1021
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,250
you design an experiment and you try to

1022
00:50:47,479 --> 00:50:45,839
settle the dispute

1023
00:50:50,779 --> 00:50:47,489
it's complete you don't even think about

1024
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:50,789
arguing and quibbling over this opinion

1025
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:52,140
and happen you know you just sit down

1026
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,180
and design an experiment to settle the

1027
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:56,460
issue and in Egypt ah in here you know

1028
00:51:01,249 --> 00:50:58,380
in the ancient history in Egyptology I

1029
00:51:03,499 --> 00:51:01,259
understand you can't do that easily you

1030
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:03,509
can't just do an experiment because you

1031
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:07,170
basically depending on evidence to come

1032
00:51:12,229 --> 00:51:10,200
out of the ground but my contention is

1033
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:12,239
that there is a lot of evidence out of

1034
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:14,249
the ground that just hasn't been

1035
00:51:21,529 --> 00:51:18,150
interpreted always you know in a sort of

1036
00:51:24,019 --> 00:51:21,539
even-handed way and because I'm not an

1037
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:24,029
archeologist I'd like you know I'm not I

1038
00:51:29,779 --> 00:51:27,900
didn't look at anything that I dug up I

1039
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:29,789
basically looked at evidence that's been

1040
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:33,210
available for many many years and I see

1041
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:34,920
that the evidence is being interpreted

1042
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:37,890
with a certain slant and when you take

1043
00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:40,049
the slant out of the equation you all of

1044
00:51:42,739 --> 00:51:41,430
a sudden you start seeing other things

1045
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,749
that's right that's right

1046
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:45,119
and I'm gonna talk about John Anthony

1047
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:49,890
West yes now and this is this is I'm not

1048
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,569
an archaeologist either I'm not a

1049
00:51:55,969 --> 00:51:53,819
professional anything I'm a professional

1050
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:55,979
doofus that likes to ask questions

1051
00:52:03,559 --> 00:51:58,920
that's what I do but I'll say this I

1052
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:03,569
mean look at the Great Pyramid you just

1053
00:52:07,969 --> 00:52:05,430
look at it you can look at all three but

1054
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,979
you look at the Great Pyramid and one

1055
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:10,400
thing and one thing only comes to mind

1056
00:52:19,489 --> 00:52:14,940
ancient man as we have been presented

1057
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:19,499
did not build that that's it that's the

1058
00:52:25,009 --> 00:52:22,619
only conclusion that you can come to if

1059
00:52:30,469 --> 00:52:25,019
they want us to believe what ancient man

1060
00:52:33,499 --> 00:52:30,479
was like at 3000 BC that dude did not

1061
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:33,509
build that well you have the right

1062
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:35,609
person coming to your show tomorrow that

1063
00:52:40,969 --> 00:52:38,430
is that is these probably one of the

1064
00:52:42,259 --> 00:52:40,979
most forceful proponents of that yeah

1065
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,269
that's that's it

1066
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:44,640
now now what what who what when where

1067
00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:46,890
all of that we can we can do it and talk

1068
00:52:52,579 --> 00:52:49,160
about that but don't tell me that

1069
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,589
ancient man at 3,000 BC built that it

1070
00:52:57,289 --> 00:52:55,440
that no no that's not that's not the

1071
00:52:59,029 --> 00:52:57,299
game that we're playing here let's talk

1072
00:52:59,880 --> 00:52:59,039
about John Anthony West since we're on

1073
00:53:02,070 --> 00:52:59,890
this

1074
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:02,080
what does for you what does he bring to

1075
00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:06,190
the table he well I actually had never

1076
00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:11,080
had you know and I'd never met him for a

1077
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:13,240
discussion I met him at at a conference

1078
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:15,010
but we didn't have to I know I I wasn't

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00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:17,790
able to sit down and discuss with him

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00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:23,320
but he he's sort of the spiritual you

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00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:25,300
know Godfather of this entire movement

1082
00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:30,070
you know he he you know when I say

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00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:31,600
Robert Bauval has a certain way of

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00:53:37,340 --> 00:53:33,820
seeing things and Robert Schoch has this

1085
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,350
you know meticulous detailed approach

1086
00:53:41,370 --> 00:53:39,520
evidence-based you know they all have

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:41,380
their different styles and John Anthony

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00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:43,930
West is sort of you know he has the

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00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:46,690
vision the long-term vision to interpret

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00:53:52,860 --> 00:53:49,270
everything through it just a completely

1091
00:53:54,510 --> 00:53:52,870
different lens and so they all bring

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00:53:57,420 --> 00:53:54,520
different things to the table and yeah

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00:53:58,530 --> 00:53:57,430
it's very inspiring I mean to me these

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00:54:00,240 --> 00:53:58,540
are all I look at them they're all

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00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:00,250
teachers they have different ways of

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00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:02,470
teaching and I can learn from all of

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00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:05,530
them now we're gonna hit a break here so

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00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:08,470
let's set up for when we come back you

1099
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:12,100
guys sit down and have breakfast and

1100
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:17,160
this idea comes together for this paper

1101
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:23,080
tell us about that yeah so the well

1102
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:26,440
there's there is the McGee paper which

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00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:30,910
we published last year and it's you know

1104
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:32,890
there's already discussions going on I'm

1105
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:34,810
noticing it and I just wanted to add a

1106
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:37,950
little bit of context to that you know

1107
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:41,470
Robert Schoch has he's taking care of

1108
00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:42,670
the details you know in his

1109
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:44,980
presentations and what I want to do is

1110
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:48,220
just highlight a few things to give a

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00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,530
large perspective on how that that paper

1112
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:53,440
came together sure yeah go ahead

1113
00:54:59,610 --> 00:54:57,010
okay let's know right so the first thing

1114
00:55:02,610 --> 00:54:59,620
I want to talk about is a little bit

1115
00:55:05,610 --> 00:55:02,620
about the history of this things and

1116
00:55:07,110 --> 00:55:05,620
specifically two things about this

1117
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:07,120
things that are controversial the first

1118
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:08,770
thing of course is the age and who made

1119
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:09,010
it

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00:55:13,529 --> 00:55:10,810
and the second thing is what's

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00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,539
underneath the Sphinx

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00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,720
and so so let me start with the second

1123
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:18,160
one first so what's underneath this

1124
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:22,630
fangs the buzzword here is the Hall of

1125
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:24,910
Records and when people you know hear

1126
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:28,569
Hall of Records immediately you know the

1127
00:55:37,799 --> 00:55:32,339
camp divides into people that think that

1128
00:55:38,819 --> 00:55:37,809
Edgar Cayce made a correct prediction

1129
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:38,829
and then there's people that don't

1130
00:55:43,410 --> 00:55:41,380
accept it and they will reject the whole

1131
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:43,420
thing and I want to sort of get past

1132
00:55:49,049 --> 00:55:47,140
that so you know Edgar Cayce basically

1133
00:55:51,989 --> 00:55:49,059
had three sessions when he predicted

1134
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:51,999
this and two of them in 1933 and one in

1135
00:56:00,719 --> 00:55:56,710
1941 and he described basically a path

1136
00:56:03,029 --> 00:56:00,729
to a place were one of three places in

1137
00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:03,039
the world where there were records from

1138
00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:09,160
Atlantis and but even long before Edgar

1139
00:56:14,219 --> 00:56:11,769
Cayce there was there were there was a

1140
00:56:17,849 --> 00:56:14,229
rumor mill and it goes all the way from

1141
00:56:20,999 --> 00:56:17,859
through the Arab historians to the Roman

1142
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:21,009
historians maybe maybe even Plato

1143
00:56:26,489 --> 00:56:24,460
where you where they they are saying

1144
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:26,499
that there is something under the Sphinx

1145
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:29,890
and it's basically two types of stories

1146
00:56:34,979 --> 00:56:31,690
either it's a grave somebody's buried

1147
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:34,989
under the Sphinx or it's or it's some

1148
00:56:40,289 --> 00:56:38,440
kind of archive and so and what I just

1149
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:40,299
you know I just wanted to clarify that

1150
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:44,950
our paper goes way way past all of this

1151
00:56:49,890 --> 00:56:46,660
timeframe this timeframe that I just

1152
00:56:52,739 --> 00:56:49,900
described is maybe 2,300 years long so

1153
00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:52,749
we go back to Plato's time 300 BC let's

1154
00:57:01,950 --> 00:56:56,190
say 360 BC when he published Timaeus and

1155
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:01,960
our paper goes another two thousand two

1156
00:57:08,279 --> 00:57:06,400
hundred years past that - you know the

1157
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:08,289
old kingdom of Egypt

1158
00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:09,880
our evidence the evidence that we're

1159
00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:13,719
presenting is from that time 4,500 years

1160
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:16,900
ago it has nothing to do with this

1161
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:21,670
entire you know rumor mill about a Hall

1162
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:24,190
of Records and by the way I think Edgar

1163
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:26,710
Cayce made some amazing predictions

1164
00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:29,560
and he may well be right about this but

1165
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,270
I just wanted to clarify that in this

1166
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:34,240
paper we are not talking about any any

1167
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:37,090
stories any evidence that were created

1168
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,710
in the generated in the last twenty

1169
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:40,200
three hundred years right

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00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:44,710
yeah the okay let's take a break

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:46,660
actually let's pick up right where

1172
00:57:51,090 --> 00:57:49,450
there's too much to go to in the next 60

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00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:51,100
seconds let's take a break right here

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00:57:55,590 --> 00:57:53,140
and we'll just pick up right where we

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00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:55,600
left off our guest tonight my news saves

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00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:58,450
by day talking about the paper that was

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00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:01,480
just published today we'll cover that in

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00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:03,820
him in in it in a little bit for

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00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:05,650
discussing his first paper that was

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00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:07,990
published with Robert Schoch and Robert

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welcome back fade to black I'm Neil

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Summa church tonight one of our Egypt

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week here on fade to black

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I guess tonight my news saves a day

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talking about okay we're talking about

1281
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:15,480
two different papers here one that was

1282
01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:18,450
published two years ago and one that was

1283
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:21,120
here last year last year and then one

1284
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:23,220
that was published just today and we'll

1285
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:26,880
get to that in just a bit and we're we

1286
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,400
were talking about two points on the

1287
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:32,400
Sphinx and I want to stay on the the

1288
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dating concept here when we when we look

1289
01:03:48,050 --> 01:03:42,650
at the year of 10,500 BC that this date

1290
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,060
has been it's been connected from a few

1291
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:50,880
different points one of course Bauval z'

1292
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:54,900
dating along with a Graham Hancock that

1293
01:04:03,440 --> 01:03:58,290
deals with celestial alignments of a

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:03,450
lion and of course Leo at 10,500 BC

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right there right between the paws

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facing Leo and then on the backside Oh

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Ryan perfectly aligns with the ground

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okay so there's that bite and then it

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01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:17,040
just so happens of the dating of the

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rainfall and the erosion of what shock

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and jaws brought forward and there they

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:26,430
came up with the same date now that but

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01:04:28,610 --> 01:04:28,170
that's pretty compelling evidence right

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01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:28,620
there

1305
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:30,810
I think it's angry I think it's older

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01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:35,250
myself so well and you know I was in

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01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:39,450
Egypt last week and I you know I stood

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01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:43,230
in front of the rock that that was

1309
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:46,650
carved during conference time and I I

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01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:49,680
was by the Sphinx and it's it's like

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:51,660
night and day that I mean it you can't

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01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:54,930
that the erosion around the Sphinx and

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01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,200
the erosion on the very same rock that

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01:05:03,620 --> 01:05:00,240
is maybe a hundred meters to the south

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01:05:06,110 --> 01:05:03,630
is you can compare it it's completely

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different so you I don't you know you

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01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:08,790
don't even need numbers you just look at

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it and you just know it's not possible

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it

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about that for a second you did just get

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back from Egypt what are you doing out

1322
01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:23,279
there I you know I was actually doing a

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01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:25,559
little bit of research you know which

1324
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means that I walk around in the plateau

1325
01:05:32,779 --> 01:05:30,329
and look for things that normally as a

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tourist you wouldn't look for and just

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to get some ideas take some pictures you

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know so the kind of that for two weeks I

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01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:38,910
was I was up there maybe five times I

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went to the museum a couple of times and

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01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:43,710
you know that's how I get ideas looking

1332
01:05:49,729 --> 01:05:46,920
at evidence and now you know over again

1333
01:05:51,529 --> 01:05:49,739
and who knows maybe another paper will

1334
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:51,539
come up in the next few months who do

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01:05:57,259 --> 01:05:53,609
you use for a guide when you're out

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01:06:00,229 --> 01:05:57,269
there we did have a guide a couple of

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times but mostly I didn't need a guide a

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couple a couple of times I was with a

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man called Aslam he's fantastic and he

1340
01:06:09,979 --> 01:06:07,380
was set up by the touring company that I

1341
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:09,989
used and you know we have great

1342
01:06:15,979 --> 01:06:12,809
discussions he speaks great English and

1343
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:15,989
and he was with us for five days we went

1344
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:20,729
to - or we went to we went to the my

1345
01:06:25,759 --> 01:06:23,130
dueling pyramid and so you know a couple

1346
01:06:30,349 --> 01:06:25,769
of those trips he was with us now when

1347
01:06:32,779 --> 01:06:30,359
you stand at the Sphinx or no actually

1348
01:06:35,959 --> 01:06:32,789
I'm asking the question wrong when you

1349
01:06:37,459 --> 01:06:35,969
go to the different temples and and

1350
01:06:40,279 --> 01:06:37,469
monuments out there in the different

1351
01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:40,289
complexes is there one that your spirit

1352
01:06:45,979 --> 01:06:43,140
is spiritually connected to table sierra

1353
01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:45,989
really okay so yeah tell me tell me how

1354
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:48,059
you came to that conclusion I I was

1355
01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:50,430
asking the most peaceful place I've been

1356
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:55,319
to and well I mean is there did you have

1357
01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:58,920
a revelation when you set foot I I felt

1358
01:07:02,569 --> 01:07:00,900
you know there's two places in Egypt

1359
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:02,579
that I had this feeling the first one

1360
01:07:07,729 --> 01:07:04,920
was last year when I went with Alan

1361
01:07:10,509 --> 01:07:07,739
green who you of course know Alan I went

1362
01:07:14,329 --> 01:07:10,519
to Karnak and I went to Hot Chip suits

1363
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,339
inner sanctum and I felt something

1364
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,039
amazing looking at her reliefs and the

1365
01:07:22,219 --> 01:07:20,400
inscriptions it was incredible and I had

1366
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:22,229
that same feeling this trip when I went

1367
01:07:30,529 --> 01:07:25,710
up the causeway to see

1368
01:07:33,499 --> 01:07:30,539
the Pyramid of Sahara her complex is

1369
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:33,509
just ginormous I said I you know I

1370
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:35,220
haven't been to Egypt yet we're gonna go

1371
01:07:40,279 --> 01:07:37,890
next year but when I see that in

1372
01:07:45,549 --> 01:07:40,289
pictures I always come to the same

1373
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:45,559
conclusion how it's just it's

1374
01:07:51,019 --> 01:07:48,809
ridiculously huge I mean it's just it's

1375
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:51,029
just beyond words isn't it all right

1376
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:53,249
yeah it's a big complex that's right and

1377
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:55,619
as you go up you know you feel like it

1378
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,630
gets ever more private and when you get

1379
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:00,480
all the way into our inner sanctuary you

1380
01:08:06,259 --> 01:08:03,150
it there's this relief with her you know

1381
01:08:08,660 --> 01:08:06,269
caressing Hathor the cotton in in the

1382
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:08,670
cow shape there's and it's just

1383
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:12,569
something about it now you brought up

1384
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:14,249
the dream Stella

1385
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:18,540
important and there's a lot of things

1386
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:20,250
that are there and it's and it's the

1387
01:08:23,899 --> 01:08:22,020
original and you can see it as it's

1388
01:08:25,249 --> 01:08:23,909
right there it's between the paws but I

1389
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:25,259
don't think that's the important one I

1390
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:27,870
think the inventory Stella is is where

1391
01:08:33,919 --> 01:08:31,440
the the crucial information is yes yeah

1392
01:08:36,260 --> 01:08:33,929
the inventory saw so this is of course a

1393
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:36,270
big subject and one of these days when

1394
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:38,100
we have another chat and we'll talk

1395
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:40,020
about the inventory so Robert Schoch and

1396
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:43,520
I just published a paper basically

1397
01:08:50,379 --> 01:08:47,370
countering the current mainstream view

1398
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:50,389
that it's uh its historical fraud

1399
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:53,489
meaning that the Stila was produced in

1400
01:08:58,999 --> 01:08:56,279
the late period but the story on the

1401
01:09:03,349 --> 01:08:59,009
Stila is is not a true story

1402
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:03,359
but it is it is basically the one

1403
01:09:08,959 --> 01:09:06,330
explicit evidence that exists that Khufu

1404
01:09:12,410 --> 01:09:08,969
knew the Sphinx and in fact he repaired

1405
01:09:15,620 --> 01:09:12,420
it and and it also says that he built

1406
01:09:17,629 --> 01:09:15,630
his pyramid so and Egyptologists are

1407
01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:17,639
basically dismissing this whole thing as

1408
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,339
a way for the priests to attract

1409
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,500
business to the tempo of Isis which is

1410
01:09:26,780 --> 01:09:24,960
right by you know he Newton's pyramid

1411
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:26,790
you know the queen pyramid that's the

1412
01:09:31,879 --> 01:09:30,330
southernmost of the three and you know

1413
01:09:34,519 --> 01:09:31,889
the temple was built and the priests

1414
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,529
produced the Stila and Egyptologists are

1415
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:36,420
saying that this was a way to get

1416
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:39,170
donations and we

1417
01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:42,840
thoroughly I mean it's a 60 page paper

1418
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:46,609
Jimmy I don't think there's ever been a

1419
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:50,130
paper written in this much detail taking

1420
01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:54,090
down the the current view on the Stila

1421
01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:56,190
and Robert and I published is just a few

1422
01:09:59,600 --> 01:09:57,870
months ago it hasn't gotten that much

1423
01:10:01,970 --> 01:09:59,610
attention which I understand it's very

1424
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:01,980
very detailed as a lot of language

1425
01:10:07,970 --> 01:10:04,650
analysis in there and of course there is

1426
01:10:11,150 --> 01:10:07,980
going to be pushback and debate which I

1427
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:11,160
completely expect but we wanted to you

1428
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:12,930
know we wanted to start a different type

1429
01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:15,420
of discussion we don't want to have you

1430
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:18,300
know the field just dismiss the Stila as

1431
01:10:22,190 --> 01:10:20,610
fraud and when there's a lot of holes in

1432
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:22,200
that argument and we point out all those

1433
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:25,290
holes in this paper now the inventory

1434
01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:29,580
Stella it's my understanding that it's

1435
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:31,680
not even on public display it's locked

1436
01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:34,620
up right no no it is and but you know

1437
01:10:38,690 --> 01:10:36,120
it's funny you say that I couldn't find

1438
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:38,700
it in the museum so I actually I went to

1439
01:10:42,650 --> 01:10:40,710
one of the guards and believe it or not

1440
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:42,660
he introduced me to the director of the

1441
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:45,720
museum which I wasn't asking for that

1442
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,580
but okay here he is a very nice

1443
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:50,400
gentleman and so he he didn't quite know

1444
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:52,380
in the beginning and because he didn't I

1445
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:53,820
don't think he understood the English

1446
01:10:59,230 --> 01:10:56,730
word inventory Stella but he eventually

1447
01:11:02,090 --> 01:10:59,240
we found it and he was actually really

1448
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,100
surprised when I told him what it says

1449
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:05,520
and I thought doesn't mean that I

1450
01:11:11,420 --> 01:11:09,090
convinced him but he didn't know that

1451
01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:11,430
the text says that khufu nudists things

1452
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:15,390
well he also I don't know if I misheard

1453
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:20,250
you but the inventory Stella also says

1454
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,640
that Khufu repaired the Sphinx but he

1455
01:11:28,730 --> 01:11:26,100
also repaired the pyramid I don't think

1456
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:28,740
he says that he built the pyramid think

1457
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:30,510
he says that he was there for repairs

1458
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:32,970
well this is okay so this gets into very

1459
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:38,160
detailed language analysis and I we

1460
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:39,960
should probably reserve this for another

1461
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:41,580
talk to me but just to give you the

1462
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:44,640
short answer if you look at the text

1463
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,580
specific text that here glyphic all the

1464
01:11:52,879 --> 01:11:49,920
hero glyphic expression for building

1465
01:11:55,939 --> 01:11:52,889
versus rebuilding okay so read

1466
01:11:58,489 --> 01:11:55,949
building you have to add a symbol which

1467
01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:58,499
is the foot of a donkey believe it or

1468
01:12:03,739 --> 01:12:00,300
not I know that's kind of funny but the

1469
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:03,749
foot of a donkey means has the phonetic

1470
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,070
value of Who am and who hem means to

1471
01:12:13,209 --> 01:12:11,280
again or repeat so when you when you use

1472
01:12:16,669 --> 01:12:13,219
the word build and then you add that

1473
01:12:19,969 --> 01:12:16,679
symbol behind it that means rebuilding

1474
01:12:22,909 --> 01:12:19,979
okay countess Oh so that is one part of

1475
01:12:25,339 --> 01:12:22,919
the Stella which which pertains to the

1476
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:25,349
Temple of Isis so Khufu repairs the

1477
01:12:29,779 --> 01:12:28,169
Temple of Isis but the other part of the

1478
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:29,789
Stella where he talks about building is

1479
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:34,110
pyramid it only uses the verb build you

1480
01:12:38,540 --> 01:12:35,489
so you don't have that modification

1481
01:12:40,699 --> 01:12:38,550
behind it and so based on that I would

1482
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:40,709
say we do have a positive control in the

1483
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:44,010
same text that tells us when it's

1484
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,659
supposed to mean rebuilding and when

1485
01:12:50,060 --> 01:12:47,760
it's supposed to be building so based on

1486
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:50,070
that I would have to conclude that if I

1487
01:12:55,459 --> 01:12:52,169
take it at face value that Khufu built a

1488
01:12:59,529 --> 01:12:55,469
pyramid but it doesn't mean necessary

1489
01:13:04,370 --> 01:12:59,539
you know there is a there still a way to

1490
01:13:08,330 --> 01:13:04,380
basically combine the two fields so I

1491
01:13:10,819 --> 01:13:08,340
think there is an a prehistoric there

1492
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:10,829
was a prehistoric site and Khufu built

1493
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:13,260
on top of it now where you draw the line

1494
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:16,380
okay so you can debate that but I think

1495
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:18,780
you are right those monuments there was

1496
01:13:22,819 --> 01:13:20,489
something there and by the way Robert

1497
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:22,829
Bauval of course has also entertained

1498
01:13:26,449 --> 01:13:24,090
that that there was something there

1499
01:13:29,060 --> 01:13:26,459
before which aligned with Zep tepi the

1500
01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:29,070
trees the three positions and then came

1501
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:32,070
the old kingdom Kings and they built

1502
01:13:35,419 --> 01:13:33,840
their pyramids on it and they basically

1503
01:13:36,589 --> 01:13:35,429
just built right on top of those

1504
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:36,599
structures and which is why the

1505
01:13:41,029 --> 01:13:39,209
orientation is locked in the same way

1506
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:41,039
now you just said something that we

1507
01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:44,130
don't mention often on this show and it

1508
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:46,199
needs to be not only mention but

1509
01:13:51,739 --> 01:13:49,320
clarified you just said Zep tepi but

1510
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:51,749
tell everybody says such such an

1511
01:13:58,159 --> 01:13:55,409
important term in Egyptology what is Zep

1512
01:14:01,339 --> 01:13:58,169
tepi Zep tepi you know what Zep tepi

1513
01:14:03,259 --> 01:14:01,349
would be sort of the biblical equivalent

1514
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:03,269
of Genesis so it's the it's the first

1515
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:06,780
time when the gods ruled Egypt

1516
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:09,900
and it was a time of Harmony and but

1517
01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:12,000
then there was also a conflict which

1518
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:15,750
happened in year 363 according to the ed

1519
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:19,320
food text and your enduring and in that

1520
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:21,300
year there was a battle an epic battle

1521
01:14:28,609 --> 01:14:24,110
between good and evil Horus and Seth and

1522
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:28,619
Horus wins the battle and all of this is

1523
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:31,050
also very nicely presented by Robert

1524
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:32,730
Bauval and origins of the Sphinx it's

1525
01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:34,440
beautiful I mean he goes through all the

1526
01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:37,980
the the myths and how it may have been

1527
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:42,840
enshrined at the Giza Plateau so but

1528
01:14:46,939 --> 01:14:44,219
that's what Zep tepi is it's the first

1529
01:14:50,540 --> 01:14:46,949
time when the gods ruled and then they

1530
01:14:52,819 --> 01:14:50,550
passed their world on to man so when and

1531
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:52,829
in the ed food tax and this is for the

1532
01:14:56,629 --> 01:14:55,050
audience but we it really needs to be

1533
01:15:02,330 --> 01:14:56,639
clarified in the ed food tax they

1534
01:15:04,459 --> 01:15:02,340
mentioned septet is pushing the dating

1535
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:04,469
back you know this is now the time of

1536
01:15:09,049 --> 01:15:06,570
the gods so that's even the time before

1537
01:15:12,169 --> 01:15:09,059
the got right it's it's the first day

1538
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:12,179
it's the first of everything now how

1539
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,500
long of a period of time are we actually

1540
01:15:21,140 --> 01:15:18,480
talking about here we don't know it

1541
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:21,150
could be thousands of years it could be

1542
01:15:25,549 --> 01:15:23,250
10,000 years it could be 20,000 years

1543
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:25,559
could be 50,000 years but you certainly

1544
01:15:32,569 --> 01:15:29,369
make that reference there and this is

1545
01:15:35,419 --> 01:15:32,579
all in clearly stated in the ed food

1546
01:15:39,919 --> 01:15:35,429
building text yeah and I think I think

1547
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:39,929
the reason why this is dated textually

1548
01:15:44,569 --> 01:15:42,900
dated to 10,000 let's say 500 BC has to

1549
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:44,579
do with the flood because there is a

1550
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:48,000
mention of a flood and so based on that

1551
01:15:52,879 --> 01:15:50,489
you know and then combined with us the

1552
01:15:55,459 --> 01:15:52,889
astronomy and the geology I think all of

1553
01:16:00,430 --> 01:15:55,469
this converges to this date you know

1554
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:00,440
10,000 or 10,500 BC so maybe that's when

1555
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:05,090
Zep tepi was and i find it interesting

1556
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:09,780
that pretty much i think every ancient

1557
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:12,710
culture on this planet has a flood myth

1558
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:16,409
everybody's got one and Egyptologists

1559
01:16:20,690 --> 01:16:18,210
would always say well yeah except for

1560
01:16:23,210 --> 01:16:20,700
for Egypt we don't have a

1561
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:23,220
and they they couldn't be further from

1562
01:16:26,180 --> 01:16:23,850
the truth

1563
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:26,190
and it's right there in the ED foo

1564
01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:29,940
building text and it's it states that

1565
01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:34,710
there was a great flood at Zep tepi

1566
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:36,870
had to be even and you know what Jimmy

1567
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:38,550
there's even a story from the Middle

1568
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,010
Kingdom it's it's it's it's a fabulous

1569
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:43,520
it's a it's called a shipwrecked sailor

1570
01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:45,960
it was written in the Middle Kingdom and

1571
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:48,540
it's uh really quickly it's just a story

1572
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:50,490
of a sailor got stranded on a lonely

1573
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:54,210
island and there's a snake and the snake

1574
01:16:59,360 --> 01:16:56,130
turns out to be a friendly snake and the

1575
01:17:02,030 --> 01:16:59,370
snake actually describes an event that

1576
01:17:06,770 --> 01:17:02,040
wiped out its family and this event was

1577
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:06,780
a falling star now how is it that can

1578
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:10,560
you read hieroglyphics I am yes

1579
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:13,650
I'm maybe let's say early intermediate

1580
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:15,300
at this point well you're you're much

1581
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:17,250
better than I am and I like the way this

1582
01:17:22,030 --> 01:17:19,890
you you know you bring this up the the

1583
01:17:24,980 --> 01:17:22,040
the the foot of a donkey and

1584
01:17:27,670 --> 01:17:24,990
phonetically verses a written version of

1585
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:27,680
the text how good are you and with it

1586
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:30,930
well I think at this point I can maybe

1587
01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:34,260
walk up to Estella and sort of get the

1588
01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:38,580
general idea and the next stage is you

1589
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:40,740
know to be able to read a wisdom text

1590
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:42,810
something like that and I'm still far

1591
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:45,000
away from that so but at least I have

1592
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:46,890
all the I have all the pieces in place

1593
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:48,870
that I can sit down with the text and

1594
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:51,300
with a lot of time I could figure it out

1595
01:17:56,990 --> 01:17:54,320
probably how did the how did

1596
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,000
hieroglyphics evolve you know versus

1597
01:18:02,780 --> 01:17:59,040
what you know what has been found at

1598
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:02,790
Abydos you know at 3000 BC going back to

1599
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:06,800
my days you know and and armour through

1600
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:09,900
you know to Cleopatra's time how did how

1601
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:12,360
did it evolve right right that's a great

1602
01:18:19,340 --> 01:18:14,100
question which actually pertains to our

1603
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:19,350
paper the me paper so there's that this

1604
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:21,590
is by the way Wolfgang Elk is a German

1605
01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:26,460
Egyptologist who is fabulous he pieced

1606
01:18:32,660 --> 01:18:29,190
this together you know the first three

1607
01:18:34,069 --> 01:18:32,670
four hundred years of dynastic Egypt

1608
01:18:36,979 --> 01:18:34,079
so basically you

1609
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:36,989
- you had two language centers one was

1610
01:18:42,740 --> 01:18:38,489
in southern Egypt one was in northern

1611
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:42,750
Egypt the southern Egyptian language the

1612
01:18:48,260 --> 01:18:44,760
very first documented evidence comes

1613
01:18:50,060 --> 01:18:48,270
from - Mew J which is scorpion and

1614
01:18:52,189 --> 01:18:50,070
that's where the German archaeological

1615
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:52,199
Institute found these little tablets and

1616
01:18:56,689 --> 01:18:55,170
they realized this is going to drier you

1617
01:18:58,939 --> 01:18:56,699
know who pieced this together he said

1618
01:19:01,100 --> 01:18:58,949
this is a phonetic script so what you

1619
01:19:02,689 --> 01:19:01,110
hear is what it means not what you see

1620
01:19:06,140 --> 01:19:02,699
but what you're here is what it means

1621
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:06,150
just like our alphabet and then contrast

1622
01:19:14,299 --> 01:19:10,710
that with with the remnants of a script

1623
01:19:15,799 --> 01:19:14,309
that was in the early Egyptian writings

1624
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:15,809
which is you know we just have you know

1625
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:19,710
little tags and labels and those symbols

1626
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,840
which came from northern Egypt and that

1627
01:19:26,959 --> 01:19:24,000
was may be centered around butoh so

1628
01:19:28,549 --> 01:19:26,969
butoh was a prehistoric trading hub you

1629
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:28,559
know they were trading with southern

1630
01:19:32,629 --> 01:19:30,210
egypt they were probably trading with

1631
01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:32,639
with the Levant you know maybe even with

1632
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:35,670
Mesopotamia and so they were using a

1633
01:19:40,939 --> 01:19:37,020
different script and the main difference

1634
01:19:43,549 --> 01:19:40,949
is that that script was a visual script

1635
01:19:47,419 --> 01:19:43,559
it was pictographs so use what you see

1636
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:47,429
is what it means and when you know

1637
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:51,570
Narmer took conquered northern Egypt at

1638
01:19:57,140 --> 01:19:53,130
least that's you know the current model

1639
01:19:58,939 --> 01:19:57,150
that there was a conquest they adopted

1640
01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:58,949
that script and then they gradually

1641
01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:01,800
phased it out so over the First's you

1642
01:20:05,780 --> 01:20:03,809
know five pharaohs grant you still have

1643
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:05,790
initially you have these you have both

1644
01:20:10,189 --> 01:20:07,500
scripts you have both types of symbols

1645
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:10,199
and then the pictographs gradually get

1646
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:12,090
phased out but here's that here's the

1647
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:16,110
rub the symbol that we are describing

1648
01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:18,510
the meat paper the lioness with the with

1649
01:20:24,830 --> 01:20:21,659
the bent rod that is one of those

1650
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:24,840
pictographic scripts from Bhutto most

1651
01:20:30,890 --> 01:20:27,150
likely and this is Wolfgang helps also

1652
01:20:33,260 --> 01:20:30,900
conclusion and it is not a phonetic

1653
01:20:35,569 --> 01:20:33,270
symbol it is a pictural symbol so what

1654
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:35,579
you see is what you get the meaning of

1655
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:40,530
that symbol most likely is is an object

1656
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:44,489
somehow related to this lioness so this

1657
01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:46,860
is a key concept that I wanted to bring

1658
01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:47,910
out to

1659
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,000
because that you know we didn't have we

1660
01:20:55,850 --> 01:20:53,520
didn't have the paper we had some space

1661
01:20:57,620 --> 01:20:55,860
restrictions so I wasn't able to you

1662
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,630
know at that would paper would have

1663
01:21:00,860 --> 01:20:59,280
gotten too long so but I wanted to make

1664
01:21:04,220 --> 01:21:00,870
sure I explained that yeah let's let's

1665
01:21:06,620 --> 01:21:04,230
clarify that because when I look at and

1666
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:06,630
what Manu is is talking about

1667
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:11,760
specifically is in the trading that they

1668
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:15,420
were doing at 3000 BC 2900 BC the you

1669
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:18,630
know the first second dynasty they would

1670
01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:24,480
have little tabs on ivory and at other

1671
01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:28,620
but that would they have information on

1672
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:30,660
it it was the first written language it

1673
01:21:36,050 --> 01:21:33,060
might even actually predate Mesopotamia

1674
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:36,060
and and some say that kuna form was

1675
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,410
first but anyway that yeah that's

1676
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:42,600
exactly right so Mesopotamian script

1677
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:45,510
before before it was you know the

1678
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:47,130
cuneiform it they also had a

1679
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:49,170
pictographic script and you're

1680
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:51,710
absolutely correct it is possible that

1681
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:55,250
with you know cultural exchange that the

1682
01:22:01,700 --> 01:21:58,260
butyl script the northern Egypt script

1683
01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:01,710
may have may may have come from the

1684
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:04,020
early Mesopotamian script and also vice

1685
01:22:07,670 --> 01:22:06,030
versa we don't know that's right there

1686
01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:07,680
is it there is a connection there is a

1687
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:09,720
cultural there's a linguistic connection

1688
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:11,910
potentially yes and so they would name

1689
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:13,980
the year now this is what I find

1690
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:17,550
interesting so they would name the year

1691
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:19,170
they didn't have a number for the year

1692
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:20,640
right they didn't know that they were at

1693
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:25,380
3,000 BC but they would name the year

1694
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:30,780
for whatever it is Manu Manu had a baby

1695
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,970
so they called it my new had a baby year

1696
01:22:38,180 --> 01:22:35,520
whatever it is and that would put a

1697
01:22:40,940 --> 01:22:38,190
picture of that on these tabs for

1698
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:40,950
taxation for delivery for a lot of

1699
01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:44,610
different reasons but we are able to

1700
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:46,680
accurately date some of these years

1701
01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:48,660
because they would name the years but

1702
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:52,350
also I think and when I look at these

1703
01:22:58,580 --> 01:22:55,560
specific tabs and how they marked it it

1704
01:23:01,009 --> 01:22:58,590
looks like it was incorporated into the

1705
01:23:05,540 --> 01:23:01,019
hieroglyphics that we we actually

1706
01:23:07,759 --> 01:23:05,550
love yes that's right and also there's a

1707
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:07,769
king you know there's the king name the

1708
01:23:11,899 --> 01:23:09,480
name of the king is shown on that that's

1709
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:11,909
how we can date it right Briah

1710
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:14,280
right right I find it fascinating and

1711
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,510
and to think also about how long ago

1712
01:23:22,669 --> 01:23:20,880
that we're talking about it you know

1713
01:23:27,109 --> 01:23:22,679
they were talking about a very long time

1714
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:27,119
but they were actually naming years and

1715
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:30,360
how important it was to know what a year

1716
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:32,670
was in length and then he would name

1717
01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:34,860
that year and name the next year and the

1718
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:37,230
next year and they were able to get an

1719
01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:39,690
accounting system together and and and

1720
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:42,329
and it's it's it's a mind-blowing thing

1721
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:44,730
but I think that that those pictograms

1722
01:23:49,729 --> 01:23:47,369
that they use for that written language

1723
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,739
I think evolved in partially into

1724
01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:51,360
hieroglyphics I think they ended up

1725
01:23:56,810 --> 01:23:53,940
merging yeah that's right they were

1726
01:23:59,649 --> 01:23:56,820
using initially you know let's say under

1727
01:24:03,709 --> 01:23:59,659
the first king Narmer and then came

1728
01:24:06,529 --> 01:24:03,719
hor-aha so under hor-aha and his son Jer

1729
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:06,539
and then jet you know during that early

1730
01:24:12,799 --> 01:24:10,530
phase first dynasty they're the the

1731
01:24:14,660 --> 01:24:12,809
beautto symbols were side by side with

1732
01:24:15,739 --> 01:24:14,670
the southern Egyptian symbols you know

1733
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:15,749
that like the types of symbols

1734
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:19,170
discovered in scorpions tomb and then we

1735
01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:22,800
gradually as then Dennis the main King

1736
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:24,630
when there was must have been some kind

1737
01:24:30,410 --> 01:24:28,170
of reform a language reform because all

1738
01:24:33,589 --> 01:24:30,420
of a sudden a lot of these boot boot or

1739
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:33,599
scripts disappear except for a few and

1740
01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:37,260
one of them is the lioness with the bent

1741
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:40,199
rod now let's why is that important

1742
01:24:45,979 --> 01:24:44,249
because it has to do with how the state

1743
01:24:48,259 --> 01:24:45,989
developed so we saw we've just talked

1744
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:48,269
about language so we also have to talk

1745
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:50,820
about economics and real quickly and

1746
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,730
then and then the apt the bureaucratic

1747
01:24:58,009 --> 01:24:55,679
apparatus so what happened in the

1748
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:58,019
beginning is you had a king basically

1749
01:25:03,379 --> 01:24:59,760
traveling the nation collecting his

1750
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:03,389
taxes that was the very early phase and

1751
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:06,210
then what happened is the King started

1752
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:08,639
getting deliveries from from the regions

1753
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:11,010
and that's why you need an accounting

1754
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:13,170
system and so in this very early phase

1755
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:14,130
you

1756
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:19,920
ascribes tent and that tent of course is

1757
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:22,500
shown on some of these seals and we show

1758
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:24,690
that in the paper so you had a tent and

1759
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,850
that tent was describes to end and in

1760
01:25:30,169 --> 01:25:28,320
front of the tent you had the lioness

1761
01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:30,179
with the bent rod so there's some

1762
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:32,460
association between the lioness the

1763
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:35,310
symbol and describes that were basically

1764
01:25:40,939 --> 01:25:38,850
doing the accounting for the early state

1765
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:40,949
apparatus now what is the dating of this

1766
01:25:47,180 --> 01:25:44,400
lioness uh well she goes all the way

1767
01:25:49,220 --> 01:25:47,190
back to Normandy me you can you it's not

1768
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:49,230
an armored sealing you sure you can

1769
01:25:55,490 --> 01:25:52,170
already see her right so that would be

1770
01:25:58,340 --> 01:25:55,500
if I'm doing math here if we go with

1771
01:26:00,080 --> 01:25:58,350
traditional dating which I don't buy but

1772
01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:00,090
if we go with traditional dating and we

1773
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:05,699
look at 2650 BC for for Khufu we're

1774
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:08,520
talking four hundred years am i guessing

1775
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:10,650
this correctly yeah you're right on the

1776
01:26:15,620 --> 01:26:12,210
money yeah cool for maybe twenty-five

1777
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:15,630
fifty something like that right and 2670

1778
01:26:20,209 --> 01:26:18,449
would be Djoser and then but an armored

1779
01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,219
let's say three thousand round number

1780
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:22,620
let's say three thousand BC right so

1781
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:28,139
yeah 400 450 years yeah yes weld that

1782
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:31,110
that doesn't that throw the Khufu ID out

1783
01:26:38,379 --> 01:26:36,330
the window in terms of this the first

1784
01:26:41,540 --> 01:26:38,389
reference to a lion and the Sphinx yes

1785
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,550
yeah yeah that's what we're saying so we

1786
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,679
are so you know we see the lioness we

1787
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:45,840
see the bent rod and we know the name

1788
01:26:52,700 --> 01:26:49,530
because on on this a gorgeous Tila that

1789
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:52,710
this is a Fourth Dynasty Stila weapon no

1790
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:55,920
fret and he was probably from the looks

1791
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:58,639
of it sm priest a shaman shaman priest

1792
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:02,159
and on his Stila which is in the West

1793
01:27:07,370 --> 01:27:05,310
field you see actually the name of the

1794
01:27:11,149 --> 01:27:07,380
lioness and her name is mijita and she's

1795
01:27:14,030 --> 01:27:11,159
you know right there very close to the

1796
01:27:15,620 --> 01:27:14,040
dual title which is what we're saying is

1797
01:27:18,379 --> 01:27:15,630
the you know the chief scribe and the

1798
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,389
the chief archivist now we started off

1799
01:27:23,890 --> 01:27:21,360
this conversation I like where we just

1800
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,900
ended but we started off talking about

1801
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:26,280
what was underneath the Sphinx and what

1802
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:27,730
was underneath the paw

1803
01:27:34,140 --> 01:27:32,530
right so on that same Stila it's you

1804
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:34,150
know stupid are we on the radio we can

1805
01:27:39,210 --> 01:27:36,010
see it but of course it's easy to look

1806
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:39,220
up it so I need to just preface this

1807
01:27:43,770 --> 01:27:41,290
real quick with something Egyptian there

1808
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:43,780
is more than a hundred bureaucratic

1809
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:46,950
titles in in ancient Egypt Burke Roddick

1810
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:49,990
provision court titles

1811
01:27:55,230 --> 01:27:52,690
academic titles and so what the

1812
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:55,240
Egyptians did when they when they you

1813
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:56,890
know basically inscribed their resume

1814
01:28:02,430 --> 01:27:59,920
into the tombs they they grouped these

1815
01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:02,440
titles into these categories kind of

1816
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:03,580
like a resume you have different

1817
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:05,230
categories they did exactly the same

1818
01:28:10,050 --> 01:28:07,090
thing they didn't just you know list

1819
01:28:12,330 --> 01:28:10,060
these titles have hazard Li so so let's

1820
01:28:14,850 --> 01:28:12,340
go back to the stella weapon or fret on

1821
01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:14,860
the stella FepA no fret there is a very

1822
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:18,070
nicely demarcated column where we have

1823
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:20,050
the dual title which basically says that

1824
01:28:24,630 --> 01:28:22,570
weapon nor fret was the chief scribe and

1825
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:24,640
the chief of this what we're saying the

1826
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:27,460
archive of meat and right underneath is

1827
01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:30,880
a line that i think should be the banner

1828
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:32,920
slogan for the alternative history

1829
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:35,650
movement because it is the closest I

1830
01:28:41,580 --> 01:28:39,310
think we're ever gonna get to proof that

1831
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:41,590
there was a library and so what this

1832
01:28:48,110 --> 01:28:43,840
says it says him

1833
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:48,120
nitesh a shot vented

1834
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,400
nestled a measure so what this basically

1835
01:28:56,670 --> 01:28:53,920
says is that you have the chief scribe

1836
01:29:01,920 --> 01:28:56,680
the chief archivist of what of the

1837
01:29:03,180 --> 01:29:01,930
Seshat royal library of knowledge that

1838
01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:03,190
that's kind of loosely how you can

1839
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:04,750
translate it so there you have it it's

1840
01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:07,540
all in one nice column you have an

1841
01:29:13,710 --> 01:29:10,720
association between scribing and between

1842
01:29:16,350 --> 01:29:13,720
scribing between art archiving and

1843
01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:16,360
between a library it was a royal library

1844
01:29:21,710 --> 01:29:18,670
and it was associated with the goddess a

1845
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:21,720
shot which of course you know is she was

1846
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:24,490
you know associated with writing and

1847
01:29:29,130 --> 01:29:26,530
with astronomy let's take a break right

1848
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:29,140
here this is an absolutely fascinating

1849
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:32,159
conversation our guest tonight

1850
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:34,560
I've got some noise on the line my new

1851
01:29:40,430 --> 01:29:37,679
saves as a day is here I am your host

1852
01:29:42,930 --> 01:29:40,440
Jimmy Church this is night one of Egypt

1853
01:29:48,890 --> 01:29:42,940
week here on fader block stay with us

1854
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:58,720
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1855
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:01,930
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1856
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:06,210
you're listening to phantom black always

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welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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is night one of our Egypt week right

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here on fade to black seems like we do

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it every week

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don't wait I guess tonight my news save

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Sade is with us and now manu discussing

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the previous paper and certainly shocked

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and and John Anthony West they had found

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evidence of a space underneath the paw

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which got completely shut down you know

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by the Egyptologists and Zahi Hawass and

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and didn't allow that to be pursued we

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can we'll save that debate for another

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show but clearly there is something

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underneath that paw and what it is man

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one day I hope that we will actually

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find out but the other part of the great

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debate is the a might like everybody's

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opinion on this I asked everybody the

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same question why the total lack of

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hieroglyphics and evidence on the Great

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Pyramid yeah it's a good question I I

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you know I don't know and it's you would

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think that they leave their mark

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so you could say did did did they run

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out of time did they die before they had

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a chance to do it i I don't I just don't

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know the answer to that i I know that's

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one piece of evidence that you know you

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could say well maybe that those pyramids

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don't belong to that time III understand

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the rationale for it

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I went inside Oona's pyramid a couple of

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weeks ago and there was something that I

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had never heard of and I had never seen

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it before I mean the Pyramid Texts are

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incredible but their guard all of a

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sudden turned off the light and turn on

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his flashlight and then he's then what

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we saw is amazing

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basically the wall next to the

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sarcophagus has a texture to

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contour to it and the contour is in the

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shape of shahu no real Orien yeah it's

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incredible I I posted this on on my

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Facebook page and my cousin took a even

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better picture of it and I had never

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heard of this and it confirms that Orion

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was seen as the entire you know as a as

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a as a constellation not just as a star

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but as the entire figure just like you

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know you see a thousand years later in

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the to tomb of sin and mood and SETI you

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know you see actually saw who as a as a

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figure as a consolation but here you see

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the noonas pyramid and that's you know

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just to 300 years after the greats after

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the Great Pyramid supposedly was built

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well you answer your question yeah you

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see you bring up a great point when we

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talk about illness or just about any

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other pyramid or monument in all over

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writing you know and it's everywhere

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it's everywhere every surface had

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something out of the the Valley of the

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Kings

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you know everything had something on it

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every wall every ceiling every step

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every everything had something on it and

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you have an opportunity at the very

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least with the Grand Gallery or the

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King's Chamber and can forget about the

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outside of it okay whatever the entrance

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doesn't mark enter here I I get all of

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that but the Grand Gallery those are

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clean walls just ripe ready for just

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gloriousness and they didn't do anything

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nothing at all no no didn't I ask an

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Egyptologist that you know I go to

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seminars once a month and there was an

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Egyptologist whose name I forget I

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apologize he was pretty fairly well

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known and he said that he thinks that

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maybe the Pyramid Texts were written on

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papyrus before you know before ona's and

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maybe that's a way you can explain it

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but you know we just don't know what

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excuse me well the other and the other

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point

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and when we bring up Howard Vice I

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there's something in my gut that says to

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me that that that that was there some

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fabrication to his story and and what

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was done there now I think there's a lot

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of evidence today that has been brought

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forward suggest not only in his

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character but also the opportunity

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because back then everybody was trying

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to make a great discovery in Egypt and

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he hadn't done his yet and suddenly he's

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finding all kinds of crazy things there

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so they didn't scoff because you mean

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Scott Crichton's work right yes Scott

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Crichton II amazing book I've read that

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three times and he was a guest on this

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01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:37,380
show amazing work and but you know Scott

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01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:39,120
wasn't the first I mean this has been

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brought up in the past well anyway that

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01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:47,670
being said when we look at the Great

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01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:49,890
Pyramid it certainly and I think you

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01:39:53,690 --> 01:39:52,050
just alluded to this that quite possibly

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they were just built before

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hieroglyphics was a language

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yeah well that's of course that's part

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of the you know lost civilization model

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I actually you probably don't know this

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01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:06,330
but I've had long discussions with Scott

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01:40:12,500 --> 01:40:08,970
Crichton on on a forum you know Graham

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01:40:14,210 --> 01:40:12,510
Hancock forum mm-hmm and I think I think

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first of all I think if you want a

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01:40:19,310 --> 01:40:16,830
prosecutor Scott Crichton is an amazing

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01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:19,320
prosecute yes he is he lays out a great

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01:40:25,580 --> 01:40:22,290
case you see no harm yeah I I think

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where I maybe where I how I settled this

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01:40:31,130 --> 01:40:27,750
with him and I don't know if you would

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01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:31,140
agree but I think he created he has

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01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:35,130
created enough reasonable suspicion you

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01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:36,900
know in law enforcement you say probable

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01:40:43,130 --> 01:40:41,520
cause to warrant a probe of course if

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01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:43,140
that were ever to be allowed but there

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01:40:46,430 --> 01:40:44,820
is a you know there's the second car to

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01:40:50,150 --> 01:40:46,440
which the one that's more hidden than

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01:40:53,570 --> 01:40:50,160
the the infamous one and that car to

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01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:53,580
just disappears behind the the granite

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01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:56,250
wall and sieved the Seon editor

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01:41:02,660 --> 01:40:58,200
yeah that's right so it's up in in the

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01:41:03,979 --> 01:41:02,670
fifth chamber and so to I think Scott's

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01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:03,989
theory with

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01:41:08,959 --> 01:41:07,170
will rise or fall if you probe behind

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01:41:10,879 --> 01:41:08,969
that ledge and you actually can take it

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01:41:13,489 --> 01:41:10,889
you make a small hole and you look

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01:41:15,859 --> 01:41:13,499
behind to see if the cartouche continues

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01:41:17,569 --> 01:41:15,869
and because if it does then that's not a

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01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:17,579
fake cartouche and that would probably

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01:41:23,989 --> 01:41:21,090
falsify his theory but that's how you do

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01:41:26,419 --> 01:41:23,999
science I think Scott is a great in

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01:41:29,810 --> 01:41:26,429
terms of you know in terms of proposing

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01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:29,820
a scientific model and in terms of you

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01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,070
know testing it I think it's fabulous I

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01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:34,320
think that's exactly what you should do

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01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:37,440
next but at this stage right now I don't

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01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:39,210
think you can settle the issue I think

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01:41:43,069 --> 01:41:40,530
there's so much quibbling I mean you

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01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:43,079
know it's I I witness some of these

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01:41:46,759 --> 01:41:44,880
discussions and it gets really personal

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01:41:48,770 --> 01:41:46,769
and you know III don't want to get

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01:41:49,970 --> 01:41:48,780
personal with people which is you know

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01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:49,980
we're just trying to have a you know a

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01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:53,249
dispassionate discussion and I think

2094
01:41:59,870 --> 01:41:56,210
Scott is made a very forceful case for

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01:42:02,419 --> 01:41:59,880
for Nick for a test and that test will

2096
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:02,429
make or break this that book is absolute

2097
01:42:08,779 --> 01:42:06,480
required reading I agree it's it's when

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01:42:10,850 --> 01:42:08,789
you'd it the the the evidence is

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01:42:14,060 --> 01:42:10,860
compelling he has done the research and

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01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:14,070
when you go back and he was so lucky to

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01:42:20,689 --> 01:42:17,070
you know get the original journals and

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01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:20,699
and look at that and and present them

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01:42:25,399 --> 01:42:23,730
and it's just required reading you have

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01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:25,409
to go you can't discuss the Great

2105
01:42:30,290 --> 01:42:28,110
Pyramid without having some general

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01:42:32,569 --> 01:42:30,300
background on this and Howard ice is

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01:42:34,609 --> 01:42:32,579
critical to all of this and Scott

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01:42:36,379 --> 01:42:34,619
Crichton does a wonderful job in his

2109
01:42:37,729 --> 01:42:36,389
book you know you know Jimmy there's

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01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:37,739
actually this is a great segue to

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01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:39,210
something I just want to insert real

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01:42:44,959 --> 01:42:41,840
quick I think this this has to be said

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01:42:48,169 --> 01:42:44,969
there is no shame whatsoever in being

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01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:48,179
proven wrong in fact that should be an

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01:42:52,759 --> 01:42:50,340
honor badge in science if you you know

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01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:52,769
this is the way it used to be you you

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01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:54,510
propose a model and then you try to

2118
01:42:59,299 --> 01:42:56,489
falsify it and so because if you can

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01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:59,309
falsify a model we know more that's the

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01:43:03,859 --> 01:43:01,920
way you advance knowledge if you don't

2121
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:03,869
always have to be right it's in you know

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01:43:08,180 --> 01:43:06,030
sometimes it's more useful to actually

2123
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:08,190
do an experiment and falsify yourself

2124
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:10,650
and so that's how I look at Scott's

2125
01:43:14,509 --> 01:43:12,420
theory you know it's a great theory it's

2126
01:43:16,759 --> 01:43:14,519
a great model and it actually makes a

2127
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:16,769
testable case and I think that's what

2128
01:43:20,090 --> 01:43:17,880
science is all about

2129
01:43:22,399 --> 01:43:20,100
but you know to try to attack him

2130
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:22,409
personally which I have witnessed this

2131
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:23,489
you know he's getting personally

2132
01:43:27,229 --> 01:43:25,500
attacked you know and I think this

2133
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,239
completely misses the point and this is

2134
01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:30,000
really unfortunate in this field I I

2135
01:43:35,959 --> 01:43:32,670
this because people are so you know

2136
01:43:38,090 --> 01:43:35,969
they're so it's so important to them to

2137
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:38,100
be correct to be right and say they

2138
01:43:41,450 --> 01:43:39,900
completely lose sight of the fact that

2139
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:41,460
that's not how you do science that's

2140
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:43,530
it's not what science is all about now

2141
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:47,130
you all you gotta do is go up to the

2142
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,290
fifth level with the chisel and and and

2143
01:43:57,740 --> 01:43:55,920
answer the question you know right now

2144
01:43:59,600 --> 01:43:57,750
there is there actually a court order

2145
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,610
that completely see this is a crime

2146
01:44:04,129 --> 01:44:01,199
scene right now yeah I know because of

2147
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:04,139
the Germans yeah yes right this is a

2148
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:06,810
crime scene and so there's no entry up

2149
01:44:09,379 --> 01:44:07,230
there

2150
01:44:12,649 --> 01:44:09,389
nothing nuts not whatsoever so yeah but

2151
01:44:14,780 --> 01:44:12,659
maybe in the future when it opens up and

2152
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:14,790
maybe then it I don't think you will

2153
01:44:19,129 --> 01:44:17,010
take much you just maybe you need

2154
01:44:21,620 --> 01:44:19,139
I think an inch would be enough not even

2155
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:21,630
that not even that I totally agree like

2156
01:44:26,780 --> 01:44:24,330
I said take a chisel whack whack you

2157
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:26,790
know take a chunk out take a look does

2158
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:30,090
it continue or not that's right that's

2159
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:31,250
it

2160
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,460
put an end to all of this but anyway

2161
01:44:40,010 --> 01:44:38,159
okay so now now it's some of the most

2162
01:44:45,979 --> 01:44:40,020
exciting stuff to come out of Egypt

2163
01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:45,989
maybe eclipsing King Tut is happening

2164
01:44:52,090 --> 01:44:48,900
right now and this additional chamber

2165
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:52,100
above the Grand Gallery I think is I

2166
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:54,449
talk about it nearly every day on the

2167
01:44:58,850 --> 01:44:57,210
show we were told that there is nothing

2168
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,860
there there's nothing more to discover

2169
01:45:04,580 --> 01:45:00,719
we all know that's a load of crap

2170
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,590
but this this is discovery with the

2171
01:45:07,899 --> 01:45:07,199
moulin scan is about as exciting as it

2172
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:07,909
gets

2173
01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:11,250
yeah this it it's a fascinating

2174
01:45:15,860 --> 01:45:14,550
discovery there's been one paper by

2175
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:15,870
David Lightbody

2176
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:19,170
who is criticizing it he's saying it

2177
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:22,830
could be an artifact and I think the the

2178
01:45:27,410 --> 01:45:25,080
team is aware of it but I you know I

2179
01:45:29,390 --> 01:45:27,420
mean I of course I'm not a physicist so

2180
01:45:31,140 --> 01:45:29,400
but I have some science background so I

2181
01:45:34,410 --> 01:45:31,150
looked at the paper and

2182
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:34,420
I think the criticism is a fell short

2183
01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:36,730
I think the chamber is real and the

2184
01:45:39,959 --> 01:45:37,750
reason why I'm saying that is because

2185
01:45:42,300 --> 01:45:39,969
there was a detector outside of the

2186
01:45:44,610 --> 01:45:42,310
pyramid as well mm-hmm and that detector

2187
01:45:46,919 --> 01:45:44,620
also picks up the big void so I think

2188
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:46,929
it's for real

2189
01:45:55,649 --> 01:45:52,710
now as you started to look at this you

2190
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:55,659
there's something else that you bring up

2191
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:01,360
which is the how do I describe it kind

2192
01:46:08,130 --> 01:46:03,550
of watch that video so many times the

2193
01:46:11,820 --> 01:46:08,140
internal ramp that spirals around like

2194
01:46:14,370 --> 01:46:11,830
by jean-pierre the Dom yeah yeah and

2195
01:46:18,510 --> 01:46:14,380
I've watched that over and over again

2196
01:46:21,899 --> 01:46:18,520
I'm not I'm not convinced about that but

2197
01:46:25,290 --> 01:46:21,909
the knotch that is up and forget what

2198
01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:25,300
what corner it is I've always questioned

2199
01:46:30,750 --> 01:46:27,940
that notch up there right at north east

2200
01:46:32,370 --> 01:46:30,760
northeast and and you can see it you can

2201
01:46:34,169 --> 01:46:32,380
look at any picture of the Great Pyramid

2202
01:46:37,919 --> 01:46:34,179
and that notch is right there it seemed

2203
01:46:39,870 --> 01:46:37,929
if I climb the Great Pyramid I'm going

2204
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:39,880
straight there first on my way up I'm

2205
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:43,530
walking in there I'm serious - yes

2206
01:46:50,220 --> 01:46:46,480
walking in Bob Breyers footsteps right

2207
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:50,230
yes but by the way I just want to say so

2208
01:46:55,260 --> 01:46:53,040
Jean Pierre who down very very gracious

2209
01:46:57,899 --> 01:46:55,270
reviewed the paper that I just published

2210
01:46:59,399 --> 01:46:57,909
and he critiqued it and it was very

2211
01:47:03,060 --> 01:46:59,409
useful and you know I of course I

2212
01:47:05,790 --> 01:47:03,070
acknowledged it in the paper so to your

2213
01:47:10,169 --> 01:47:05,800
point I think he has not been falsified

2214
01:47:13,979 --> 01:47:10,179
yet Jimmy it's because the spaces that

2215
01:47:16,979 --> 01:47:13,989
he's proposing are probably too too

2216
01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:16,989
short to be able to show on a muon scan

2217
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:19,510
so just to give you an idea the positive

2218
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:22,480
control for the muon experiment was done

2219
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:24,159
in the bent pyramid and in the bent

2220
01:47:29,010 --> 01:47:26,770
pyramid they picked up the upper Korbel

2221
01:47:31,140 --> 01:47:29,020
chamber Detroit they laid out the

2222
01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:31,150
detector plates and on the lower level

2223
01:47:34,380 --> 01:47:32,590
and they were able to pick up the upper

2224
01:47:36,570 --> 01:47:34,390
chamber but the upper chamber you know

2225
01:47:37,950 --> 01:47:36,580
my hunch I was trying to get the exact

2226
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:37,960
measurements which I didn't have enough

2227
01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:40,449
time my guess is about 20-30 feet high

2228
01:47:45,089 --> 01:47:43,510
so and you know the overall bent pyramid

2229
01:47:46,859 --> 01:47:45,099
is I think it's 200

2230
01:47:50,759 --> 01:47:46,869
Hubert's which is something like 350

2231
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:50,769
feet I think so so that that is the

2232
01:47:54,599 --> 01:47:52,510
amount of space you need to be able to

2233
01:47:56,879 --> 01:47:54,609
get a positive signal on a muon scan and

2234
01:48:01,500 --> 01:47:56,889
then the negative control goes back to

2235
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:01,510
Luis Alvarez and I met Farley in the in

2236
01:48:05,879 --> 01:48:03,760
the 60s when they scan so I don't know

2237
01:48:07,799 --> 01:48:05,889
if people know this but the muon scan a

2238
01:48:10,830 --> 01:48:07,809
muon scan was actually performed on

2239
01:48:13,259 --> 01:48:10,840
khafre's pyramid and they came back

2240
01:48:14,849 --> 01:48:13,269
short so they said the reason why they

2241
01:48:17,159 --> 01:48:14,859
scan confers pyramid is saying well we

2242
01:48:19,589 --> 01:48:17,169
have all these chambers in in you know

2243
01:48:21,509 --> 01:48:19,599
Khufu's pyramid but we only have bells

2244
01:48:23,369 --> 01:48:21,519
oneis chamber in conference pyramid

2245
01:48:25,349 --> 01:48:23,379
there's gotta be other chambers so they

2246
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:25,359
stay laid out the detector plates in

2247
01:48:30,119 --> 01:48:27,489
those days of course it was a little bit

2248
01:48:32,219 --> 01:48:30,129
more primitive but they couldn't come up

2249
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:32,229
with anything so they were able to see

2250
01:48:38,339 --> 01:48:36,159
the casing on the tip they saw that so

2251
01:48:40,139 --> 01:48:38,349
they were sort of gauging how sensitive

2252
01:48:41,849 --> 01:48:40,149
the technique is but they couldn't see

2253
01:48:43,739 --> 01:48:41,859
any chambers so that's the negative

2254
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:43,749
control positive controls bent pyramid

2255
01:48:48,689 --> 01:48:45,760
and now let's go back to the Great

2256
01:48:51,719 --> 01:48:48,699
Pyramid and you know who Don would his

2257
01:48:53,639 --> 01:48:51,729
spiral ramp show on a muon scan and I'm

2258
01:48:55,770 --> 01:48:53,649
not sure it would Jimmy I'm not sure

2259
01:48:59,609 --> 01:48:55,780
yeah I think he hasn't been falsified

2260
01:49:02,279 --> 01:48:59,619
yet see this is the thing if the

2261
01:49:05,219 --> 01:49:02,289
internal ramp theory now what we're

2262
01:49:09,949 --> 01:49:05,229
talking about everybody is what

2263
01:49:13,709 --> 01:49:09,959
jean-pierre suggests is that inside of

2264
01:49:18,419 --> 01:49:13,719
the walls of each side of the pyramid is

2265
01:49:19,709 --> 01:49:18,429
a spiraling hallway that ramp that went

2266
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:19,719
all the way up and that's where they

2267
01:49:26,389 --> 01:49:24,449
carried the stones I would think that

2268
01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:26,399
we're talking about a very large

2269
01:49:32,879 --> 01:49:29,320
structure here that it would be at least

2270
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:32,889
partially evident on all four sides we

2271
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:36,010
would see something there it depends on

2272
01:49:40,679 --> 01:49:37,570
it depends on where you put the detector

2273
01:49:42,949 --> 01:49:40,689
plates well certainly but they would

2274
01:49:48,990 --> 01:49:42,959
pick up something somewhere they found

2275
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:52,140
the new almost said the new Grand

2276
01:49:58,170 --> 01:49:54,880
Gallery hit the new chamber above the

2277
01:50:00,150 --> 01:49:58,180
Grand Gallery and they are able to do

2278
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,160
that not only with Mulan's but with heat

2279
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:02,080
signatures too and I would think that

2280
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,170
the same thing would show up with nice

2281
01:50:10,350 --> 01:50:08,320
ginormous rams right the problem okay so

2282
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:10,360
the problem with the muons the grant so

2283
01:50:15,900 --> 01:50:12,730
the the big void yes there's a positive

2284
01:50:18,420 --> 01:50:15,910
signal but it's surprisingly you know

2285
01:50:21,900 --> 01:50:18,430
how should I say it's surprisingly small

2286
01:50:24,300 --> 01:50:21,910
I it's a huge space but if you look at

2287
01:50:26,610 --> 01:50:24,310
the actual data it's not such a big

2288
01:50:28,590 --> 01:50:26,620
signal you know what I mean I'm used to

2289
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:28,600
what when I did molecular biology you

2290
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,250
know my professor was saying is it don't

2291
01:50:34,170 --> 01:50:31,840
even talk to me unless you have an at

2292
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:34,180
least a two-fold effect and that is not

2293
01:50:40,350 --> 01:50:36,610
a two-fold effect okay if you look at

2294
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:40,360
the trace so so I'm not so I'm not so

2295
01:50:47,220 --> 01:50:43,300
sure that this the sensitivity of this

2296
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:47,230
of this of this type of scanning but the

2297
01:50:51,450 --> 01:50:49,210
way to overcome it is to put the place

2298
01:50:53,130 --> 01:50:51,460
somewhere else so for example if you put

2299
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:53,140
the detector plates up in Campbell's

2300
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:54,730
chamber you know which is the fifth

2301
01:50:58,770 --> 01:50:56,650
relieving chamber is talking about right

2302
01:51:01,860 --> 01:50:58,780
with the cartouche you actually are

2303
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:01,870
cutting out about two fifths of stone

2304
01:51:06,620 --> 01:51:03,970
from the path of the muons and you

2305
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:06,630
probably have a much higher

2306
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:09,760
signal-to-noise ratio so I think that is

2307
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:12,910
the next step and of course I have a

2308
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:15,760
surprise for you which we can talk about

2309
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:20,370
in a few minutes something I saw that

2310
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:22,360
sounds like they're looking for that

2311
01:51:28,530 --> 01:51:25,510
well no actually I'm not gonna I'm not

2312
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,540
going to let you do that to me okay so

2313
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,400
no let's discuss that because when we

2314
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:33,280
come back we'll get to the deep part of

2315
01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:36,940
of your paper and and we'll spend that

2316
01:51:41,220 --> 01:51:39,220
whole site what did you see well the

2317
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:41,230
scan there's a new scan in progress and

2318
01:51:45,950 --> 01:51:43,750
in the you well of course you were there

2319
01:51:49,710 --> 01:51:45,960
two weeks ago is this where I saw it

2320
01:51:52,590 --> 01:51:49,720
right they they have laid out detector

2321
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:52,600
plates in the Grand Gallery well okay

2322
01:51:59,010 --> 01:51:57,010
now see okay what did you see exactly

2323
01:52:01,080 --> 01:51:59,020
well they have these these detector

2324
01:52:02,399 --> 01:52:01,090
plates there are rectangular wooden

2325
01:52:04,169 --> 01:52:02,409
boxes

2326
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:04,179
they're covered you know that's because

2327
01:52:07,590 --> 01:52:05,440
you have tourists going in and out all

2328
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:07,600
the time so they are there lying on the

2329
01:52:12,570 --> 01:52:11,170
on the rails I you know I think that's

2330
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:12,580
what you call it on the left and right

2331
01:52:16,740 --> 01:52:15,040
side as you go up the stairways on the

2332
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:16,750
left and right side there's sort of a a

2333
01:52:22,979 --> 01:52:19,360
small little ramp right where the where

2334
01:52:24,689 --> 01:52:22,989
the spaces were the military stairs in

2335
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:24,699
the wall right exactly yeah that's right

2336
01:52:29,129 --> 01:52:26,560
you've seen it and so yeah so you have

2337
01:52:32,669 --> 01:52:29,139
and I counted them I think it was I

2338
01:52:36,300 --> 01:52:32,679
remember vaguely 23 boxes up and down

2339
01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:36,310
the gallery so and and I actually I mean

2340
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:37,510
I thought they were a detective place

2341
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,610
but I asked a guard and he confirmed it

2342
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:41,199
yes that they are scanning again is

2343
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,850
there cabling no I didn't see any cables

2344
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:48,159
okay wow that's exciting

2345
01:52:55,620 --> 01:52:51,850
now yeah okay so if they would be going

2346
01:52:57,300 --> 01:52:55,630
from okay so the detector plates are

2347
01:53:01,080 --> 01:52:57,310
there what about on the outside of the

2348
01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:01,090
pyramid is there any evidence of didn't

2349
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,150
see it right because when the detector

2350
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:06,639
plates have to you have to have them on

2351
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:09,760
both sides well they they they're

2352
01:53:14,910 --> 01:53:12,850
basically aiming for you know the the

2353
01:53:19,770 --> 01:53:14,920
grant gallery I believe is 26 and a half

2354
01:53:28,590 --> 01:53:23,310
I guess the north the northern

2355
01:53:31,500 --> 01:53:28,600
hemisphere and gallery is leaned is

2356
01:53:34,860 --> 01:53:31,510
going from north to south and it's it's

2357
01:53:36,209 --> 01:53:34,870
and it's leaning about 26 degrees so you

2358
01:53:38,340 --> 01:53:36,219
lay out the detector plates they're

2359
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:38,350
basically aiming for the northern face

2360
01:53:43,919 --> 01:53:40,330
of the pyramid and what's interesting

2361
01:53:47,070 --> 01:53:43,929
yeah I know but exactly don't but don't

2362
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:47,080
you have to pick up the other side of

2363
01:53:53,580 --> 01:53:50,650
the Mulan's well you're interested in

2364
01:53:55,260 --> 01:53:53,590
the in that in the trajectory right so

2365
01:53:57,300 --> 01:53:55,270
you have the muons coming through the

2366
01:53:59,040 --> 01:53:57,310
pyramid and then at different angles and

2367
01:54:00,540 --> 01:53:59,050
then what they're doing with those

2368
01:54:02,189 --> 01:54:00,550
detector plates they are you know

2369
01:54:04,919 --> 01:54:02,199
they're measuring the impact and they're

2370
01:54:06,330 --> 01:54:04,929
also measuring the angle right so the so

2371
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,340
you know let's say you have an oblique

2372
01:54:10,290 --> 01:54:08,320
trajectory and then the muon goes

2373
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:10,300
obliquely through the pyramid and then

2374
01:54:13,860 --> 01:54:11,679
it goes into the detector plate at a

2375
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:13,870
certain angle and that's how they and

2376
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:15,610
then you process the data and then

2377
01:54:19,590 --> 01:54:17,440
you know where the where the radiation

2378
01:54:21,689 --> 01:54:19,600
came from and then if there's a space in

2379
01:54:23,310 --> 01:54:21,699
the pathway it'll speed up the

2380
01:54:26,669 --> 01:54:23,320
transmission and you get more muon

2381
01:54:30,959 --> 01:54:26,679
signals in in those trajectories that

2382
01:54:33,359 --> 01:54:30,969
are crossing a space right and so and

2383
01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:33,369
that's going so that's north or south so

2384
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:35,820
they're there I guess they would be

2385
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:40,960
detecting east to west well coming in

2386
01:54:47,399 --> 01:54:43,690
coming on the top yeah Wow yeah

2387
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:47,409
so what would okay and that is and and

2388
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,290
also if that is the case and I'm

2389
01:54:54,330 --> 01:54:52,480
assuming the detector plates are facing

2390
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:54,340
in the opposite direction they're not

2391
01:54:57,810 --> 01:54:55,690
facing each other right

2392
01:54:59,459 --> 01:54:57,820
no no no all right they're facing in the

2393
01:55:02,129 --> 01:54:59,469
opposite directions so they would be

2394
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:02,139
covering half of the pyramid on each

2395
01:55:07,740 --> 01:55:04,570
side of the Grand Gallery that's right

2396
01:55:11,490 --> 01:55:07,750
they're basically you know they're

2397
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:11,500
they're looking up against northern side

2398
01:55:15,180 --> 01:55:13,119
of it and you know this may not be the

2399
01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:15,190
only place I just it's just what I saw

2400
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:18,280
there's it's it if I were them I would

2401
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:21,090
put two plates on the in the into the

2402
01:55:29,340 --> 01:55:25,840
relieving chambers and who knows maybe

2403
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:29,350
they did have you seen we've got two

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01:55:35,129 --> 01:55:31,690
minutes before the break have you seen

2405
01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:35,139
the dassault video on the construction

2406
01:55:40,350 --> 01:55:37,449
of the pyramid you know that's the

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01:55:42,330 --> 01:55:40,360
French the French aviation company yes I

2408
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:42,340
have what do you think about that I

2409
01:55:48,479 --> 01:55:45,760
think that's one of the I do not know

2410
01:55:50,459 --> 01:55:48,489
why that is not discussed more and

2411
01:55:52,530 --> 01:55:50,469
openly debated that's one of those

2412
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:52,540
fascinating theories I've ever seen put

2413
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:56,320
forward yeah basically the Grand Gallery

2414
01:56:02,430 --> 01:55:59,679
is a logistical passage right as as a

2415
01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:02,440
counterpoint to lift up the stones the

2416
01:56:06,510 --> 01:56:04,360
grande heavy granite stones I mean you

2417
01:56:08,370 --> 01:56:06,520
know it's a model it I guess this is

2418
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:08,380
what science is you propose a model and

2419
01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:12,330
then you test it and the first test

2420
01:56:17,729 --> 01:56:15,310
ostensibly falsified it this is what I'm

2421
01:56:20,820 --> 01:56:17,739
trying to say so the first run at it

2422
01:56:23,609 --> 01:56:20,830
says that you know no spiral ramp and

2423
01:56:25,439 --> 01:56:23,619
this whole thing maybe not all of it but

2424
01:56:27,419 --> 01:56:25,449
at least the spiral ramp portion of it

2425
01:56:29,310 --> 01:56:27,429
may be falsified but with the

2426
01:56:30,630 --> 01:56:29,320
stipulation that maybe the test wasn't

2427
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:30,640
sensitive enough which is why I think

2428
01:56:35,790 --> 01:56:33,040
they're doing this follow-up experiment

2429
01:56:40,260 --> 01:56:35,800
to see if they can now see it well also

2430
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:40,270
also in the Dassault video they suggest

2431
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:44,530
an exit out of the King's Chamber right

2432
01:56:48,510 --> 01:56:46,930
yes so you come in you seal it off you

2433
01:56:50,670 --> 01:56:48,520
drop it you have the you know the

2434
01:56:54,570 --> 01:56:50,680
trapdoors right you seal it off but

2435
01:56:56,610 --> 01:56:54,580
those guys the workers had to get out so

2436
01:56:58,680 --> 01:56:56,620
there's an exit which is right behind

2437
01:57:00,990 --> 01:56:58,690
the sarcophagus and there's a stone

2438
01:57:03,180 --> 01:57:01,000
there that's a different color than all

2439
01:57:05,580 --> 01:57:03,190
of the other granite that is in in in

2440
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:05,590
the King's Chamber and that's the stone

2441
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:08,800
that they put in place after they exited

2442
01:57:16,050 --> 01:57:11,650
next to the Grand Gallery is an exit

2443
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:16,060
ramp and hallway that goes down in and

2444
01:57:21,150 --> 01:57:18,550
leaves the pyramid at ground level right

2445
01:57:23,340 --> 01:57:21,160
now then there's two secret rooms

2446
01:57:26,130 --> 01:57:23,350
according to adults whose secret rooms

2447
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:26,140
and now what I find interesting about

2448
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:28,960
that is well first off that stone is

2449
01:57:32,250 --> 01:57:30,880
definitely a different color you can

2450
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:32,260
look at any picture and that thing

2451
01:57:40,350 --> 01:57:35,440
stands out like a sore thumb but in this

2452
01:57:42,510 --> 01:57:40,360
new Moulin test if it is where if it is

2453
01:57:44,130 --> 01:57:42,520
what you're suggesting up and down the

2454
01:57:46,710 --> 01:57:44,140
Grand Gallery would wouldn't they be

2455
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:46,720
able to detect that hallway that was

2456
01:57:53,670 --> 01:57:50,370
suggested by the Dassault study oh

2457
01:57:55,740 --> 01:57:53,680
that's a good question um well I can

2458
01:57:57,870 --> 01:57:55,750
tell you ma'am so the answer is maybe

2459
01:58:00,270 --> 01:57:57,880
not because in the bent pyramid they

2460
01:58:02,910 --> 01:58:00,280
were not able to detect the passage way

2461
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:02,920
they only saw the chamber but not the

2462
01:58:08,100 --> 01:58:05,410
passage that connects the chamber to the

2463
01:58:10,950 --> 01:58:08,110
one below and so it looks like the

2464
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:10,960
chamber is just not enough space to make

2465
01:58:15,450 --> 01:58:13,690
a difference and in this case I wonder

2466
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:15,460
if the chamber is just too short

2467
01:58:22,710 --> 01:58:20,170
I mean too too short are you serious can

2468
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:22,720
it in its long axis if you did that you

2469
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:24,610
probably you might be able to see it are

2470
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:28,330
you sure your dermatologist I need to

2471
01:58:33,060 --> 01:58:30,130
look at your CV a little bit closer

2472
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,070
let's take a break right here because

2473
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:35,440
when we come back that's always been the

2474
01:58:39,870 --> 01:58:37,450
big question and I love it when Zahi

2475
01:58:42,990 --> 01:58:39,880
Hawass is famously quote there's nothing

2476
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:43,000
to see here there's nothing to see here

2477
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:45,370
well there is much more to see inside of

2478
01:58:49,050 --> 01:58:47,410
the grand pyramid and the Great Pyramid

2479
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:49,060
we'll be discussing all that with Manu

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when we come back after this short break

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this is fade to black night one of our

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I am your host Jimmy Church what an

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amazing show tonight our guest my new

2599
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:16,949
save Sade he just published a paper

2600
02:04:25,689 --> 02:04:18,810
today

2601
02:04:28,820 --> 02:04:25,699
now this is I've read through most of it

2602
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:28,830
it's compelling some of it is way above

2603
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:32,130
my pay grade it's a fascinating read

2604
02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:34,560
money who work and everybody or can

2605
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:37,170
anybody have access to this yes it's

2606
02:04:42,290 --> 02:04:40,650
free free access archaeological

2607
02:04:43,939 --> 02:04:42,300
discovery journal if you just put that

2608
02:04:46,129 --> 02:04:43,949
into the search engine it'll take you to

2609
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:46,139
the website that's the easiest way I'll

2610
02:04:51,709 --> 02:04:48,110
have it on my website maybe by tomorrow

2611
02:04:54,350 --> 02:04:51,719
and it's also on my academia

2612
02:04:56,300 --> 02:04:54,360
edu profile so there's different ways

2613
02:04:58,970 --> 02:04:56,310
but the easiest way archaeological

2614
02:05:05,089 --> 02:04:58,980
discovery journal and the title of the

2615
02:05:07,220 --> 02:05:05,099
paper the title of the paper is that's a

2616
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:07,230
long title so I have to that's why I let

2617
02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:09,330
it die I handed it right off to you

2618
02:05:15,410 --> 02:05:12,900
right so it's it says Hemi you know use

2619
02:05:18,010 --> 02:05:15,420
numerically tagged surface ratios to

2620
02:05:20,899 --> 02:05:18,020
mark ceilings inside the Great Pyramid

2621
02:05:21,439 --> 02:05:20,909
hinting at design space is still hidden

2622
02:05:24,649 --> 02:05:21,449
within

2623
02:05:26,030 --> 02:05:24,659
so it basically basically the conclusion

2624
02:05:29,899 --> 02:05:26,040
of this paper I'll just give you the

2625
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:29,909
bottom line right now is I am proposing

2626
02:05:37,010 --> 02:05:33,690
that there is at least six design spaces

2627
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:37,020
inside the pyramid Great Pyramid and

2628
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:40,320
these six spaces are above the granite

2629
02:05:45,020 --> 02:05:42,510
Tower so we're talking about top

2630
02:05:47,390 --> 02:05:45,030
three-fifths of the pyramid where there

2631
02:05:51,290 --> 02:05:47,400
is no known spaces at this at this time

2632
02:05:54,229 --> 02:05:51,300
and I'm saying based on this analysis

2633
02:06:00,290 --> 02:05:54,239
there's at least six maybe ten design

2634
02:06:05,479 --> 02:06:00,300
spaces now okay hanzaki Hawass is had

2635
02:06:08,649 --> 02:06:05,489
just spun around and now it has like oh

2636
02:06:12,919 --> 02:06:08,659
he might already know right right and

2637
02:06:16,370 --> 02:06:12,929
certainly with the MU on paper that

2638
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:16,380
again says suggests that there

2639
02:06:23,780 --> 02:06:20,370
is a new chamber above the Grand Gallery

2640
02:06:28,010 --> 02:06:23,790
where there is allegedly supposed to be

2641
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:28,020
nothing right okay your paper is taking

2642
02:06:33,140 --> 02:06:32,639
this giant step forward and outside of

2643
02:06:35,870 --> 02:06:33,150
the box

2644
02:06:37,850 --> 02:06:35,880
even from the Mulan suggestion yes

2645
02:06:41,930 --> 02:06:37,860
there's these spaces are above the great

2646
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:41,940
void and yours and now okay let's we're

2647
02:06:48,740 --> 02:06:46,110
gonna break this down as to why you have

2648
02:06:52,280 --> 02:06:48,750
come to this conclusion one space to

2649
02:06:55,970 --> 02:06:52,290
space is one thing now we're we're

2650
02:06:59,410 --> 02:06:55,980
suggesting between six and ten now to

2651
02:07:03,260 --> 02:06:59,420
come to this conclusion you have to have

2652
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:03,270
something to base this on so let's start

2653
02:07:09,140 --> 02:07:06,570
with the very basics here and let's talk

2654
02:07:11,419 --> 02:07:09,150
about the thickness of the blocks for

2655
02:07:15,410 --> 02:07:11,429
each layer of the Great Pyramid let's

2656
02:07:17,060 --> 02:07:15,420
start there right so so I'm gonna I'm

2657
02:07:19,850 --> 02:07:17,070
gonna make a comment about that and then

2658
02:07:22,010 --> 02:07:19,860
I'm just going to present two quick

2659
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:22,020
concepts and then it'll be really easy

2660
02:07:27,709 --> 02:07:25,650
to understand this so to your point if

2661
02:07:29,149 --> 02:07:27,719
you stand in front of the pyramid and

2662
02:07:32,180 --> 02:07:29,159
this of course people look at it all the

2663
02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:32,190
time and you could come 20 times and you

2664
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:34,710
might not see it but once you're aware

2665
02:07:39,890 --> 02:07:36,690
of it it's actually completely obvious

2666
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:39,900
that the thickness of the courses

2667
02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:43,920
changes and it's not a smooth ride up to

2668
02:07:47,450 --> 02:07:45,210
the pyramid you know you would think

2669
02:07:48,830 --> 02:07:47,460
that they gradually get you know smaller

2670
02:07:51,290 --> 02:07:48,840
and smaller and smaller but that's not

2671
02:07:54,229 --> 02:07:51,300
the case they suddenly get thicker and

2672
02:07:56,180 --> 02:07:54,239
then the thickness tapers down and then

2673
02:07:58,760 --> 02:07:56,190
it gets thicker again so it creates sort

2674
02:08:01,070 --> 02:07:58,770
of a a wave effect and just this this

2675
02:08:03,410 --> 02:08:01,080
term wave this comes from jean-pierre

2676
02:08:05,990 --> 02:08:03,420
Houdin so he actually emailed when he

2677
02:08:08,330 --> 02:08:06,000
emailed me he he put it in that term I

2678
02:08:10,129 --> 02:08:08,340
called it I call it a feathering effect

2679
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:10,139
so the pyramids texture and you know

2680
02:08:13,310 --> 02:08:11,730
when you see the light show it's even

2681
02:08:15,890 --> 02:08:13,320
more obvious because you have the lasers

2682
02:08:18,110 --> 02:08:15,900
hitting you know the pyramid in certain

2683
02:08:20,209 --> 02:08:18,120
angles and then you can really see it

2684
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:20,219
this feathering effect of the of the

2685
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:22,320
texture of the core masonry now after

2686
02:08:26,120 --> 02:08:24,480
reading after reading your paper I went

2687
02:08:27,550 --> 02:08:26,130
back and looked at all of the high-res

2688
02:08:30,850 --> 02:08:27,560
images

2689
02:08:34,750 --> 02:08:30,860
that I could find on the gray pyramid

2690
02:08:38,260 --> 02:08:34,760
and now it is obvious yes it's it's

2691
02:08:40,210 --> 02:08:38,270
obvious like when I found out about the

2692
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:40,220
eight sides on the pyramid instead of

2693
02:08:46,150 --> 02:08:43,760
force I it's it's it's right there I can

2694
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:46,160
see it in any image now of the Great

2695
02:08:50,490 --> 02:08:46,730
Pyramid

2696
02:08:54,730 --> 02:08:50,500
now that you have polluted my mind right

2697
02:08:57,250 --> 02:08:54,740
yes it's it's rather obvious how was

2698
02:09:00,670 --> 02:08:57,260
this not discovered before not

2699
02:09:03,070 --> 02:09:00,680
necessarily why it is there but just the

2700
02:09:06,460 --> 02:09:03,080
simple fact that it is there well it is

2701
02:09:07,780 --> 02:09:06,470
so it it has been described and measured

2702
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:07,790
as a matter of fact by Flinders Petrie

2703
02:09:13,870 --> 02:09:10,490
so he described the he described this

2704
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:13,880
varying course thickness in his 18 I

2705
02:09:20,170 --> 02:09:18,290
think it was 1883 publication and for

2706
02:09:22,210 --> 02:09:20,180
those who don't know his Petrie is you

2707
02:09:24,010 --> 02:09:22,220
know considered the grandfather of

2708
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:24,020
archaeology so he's a British surveyor

2709
02:09:30,070 --> 02:09:27,290
who went to Egypt in the 1880s and he

2710
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:30,080
did meticulous measuring of the

2711
02:09:33,460 --> 02:09:31,610
monuments and one of the things that he

2712
02:09:35,710 --> 02:09:33,470
did he basically measured the thickness

2713
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:35,720
of each course from all four corners

2714
02:09:42,550 --> 02:09:38,320
going up the pyramid and he plotted that

2715
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:42,560
as you know as a function of the overall

2716
02:09:49,540 --> 02:09:46,400
height of the pyramid and so and then he

2717
02:09:51,820 --> 02:09:49,550
he did so he's so he noticed that and

2718
02:09:54,220 --> 02:09:51,830
then he noticed something else and this

2719
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:54,230
is really the key to this paper and so

2720
02:09:59,620 --> 02:09:56,410
before I mention is I just want to

2721
02:10:01,150 --> 02:09:59,630
present two simple analogies so and then

2722
02:10:03,340 --> 02:10:01,160
it'll be much easier to explain so a

2723
02:10:05,110 --> 02:10:03,350
pyramid so the first one is if think of

2724
02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:05,120
a pyramid as a stack of squares of

2725
02:10:10,510 --> 02:10:08,330
shrinking squares and and then imagine

2726
02:10:12,700 --> 02:10:10,520
you know the bottom square is of course

2727
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:12,710
the base and let's just call it you know

2728
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:15,050
five by five a square that's five units

2729
02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:16,850
let's say five yards whatever you want

2730
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:19,190
to call it and so it's five by five is

2731
02:10:24,670 --> 02:10:21,650
twenty-five right and then you pick any

2732
02:10:26,410 --> 02:10:24,680
square higher up and so it's a smaller

2733
02:10:28,690 --> 02:10:26,420
square because it's a stack of shrinking

2734
02:10:31,180 --> 02:10:28,700
squares and let's say pick a square

2735
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:31,190
that's 2 by 2 so that's 4 so we have 4

2736
02:10:39,450 --> 02:10:34,730
and we have 25 and so that's that ratio

2737
02:10:41,619 --> 02:10:39,460
is for 25th and the 4 is a round number

2738
02:10:46,929 --> 02:10:41,629
and

2739
02:10:48,669 --> 02:10:46,939
say 3 by 3 is 9 divided by 25 is 925 so

2740
02:10:52,539 --> 02:10:48,679
4 and 9 are round numbers they're

2741
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:52,549
integers as opposed to let's say two and

2742
02:10:56,169 --> 02:10:54,169
a half by two and a half so we take

2743
02:10:58,239 --> 02:10:56,179
another square up the pyramid is two and

2744
02:11:00,159 --> 02:10:58,249
a half by two and a half it's six six

2745
02:11:02,289 --> 02:11:00,169
and a quarter that's not a round number

2746
02:11:03,639 --> 02:11:02,299
so so I just want to make that

2747
02:11:05,349 --> 02:11:03,649
distinction because that becomes

2748
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:05,359
important so when we divide the surface

2749
02:11:11,229 --> 02:11:08,089
of a square up the pyramid divided by

2750
02:11:13,359 --> 02:11:11,239
the base and we get a certain ratio if

2751
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:13,369
it's if it's a round number of fraction

2752
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:15,199
it's you know something like four five

2753
02:11:19,239 --> 02:11:17,689
twenty fifths six twenty fifths if it's

2754
02:11:21,309 --> 02:11:19,249
not a round French and then it's

2755
02:11:24,939 --> 02:11:21,319
something like six point twenty five or

2756
02:11:27,519 --> 02:11:24,949
you know 3.37 some you know some uneven

2757
02:11:29,919 --> 02:11:27,529
number so that's the first thing the

2758
02:11:32,529 --> 02:11:29,929
second concept I want to explain is the

2759
02:11:34,689 --> 02:11:32,539
pyramid angle so in in ancient Egypt the

2760
02:11:37,299 --> 02:11:34,699
pyramid a goal was called the CeBIT and

2761
02:11:39,639 --> 02:11:37,309
what the svet is is basically you're

2762
02:11:41,889 --> 02:11:39,649
walking up a staircase right you take a

2763
02:11:44,199 --> 02:11:41,899
step each step takes you a step higher

2764
02:11:45,909 --> 02:11:44,209
and you're also moving forward right so

2765
02:11:48,279 --> 02:11:45,919
you're basically going up and forward

2766
02:11:50,709 --> 02:11:48,289
and if you have a staircase each step is

2767
02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:50,719
the same that means you know you are

2768
02:11:57,159 --> 02:11:53,209
basically going the same you're going at

2769
02:11:59,229 --> 02:11:57,169
the same rate each step so that is sort

2770
02:12:02,229 --> 02:11:59,239
of the angle of this staircase and

2771
02:12:04,269 --> 02:12:02,239
that's called the svet now but with this

2772
02:12:06,279 --> 02:12:04,279
feathering effect you're not you don't

2773
02:12:08,679 --> 02:12:06,289
have even steps right so each step is

2774
02:12:10,599 --> 02:12:08,689
different you go let's say you go up a

2775
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:10,609
step and then the step is deeper than

2776
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:12,169
the previous one so it's an uneven

2777
02:12:17,399 --> 02:12:13,010
staircase

2778
02:12:21,279 --> 02:12:17,409
that but the pyramid was built like that

2779
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:21,289
basically each course is not a nice even

2780
02:12:25,539 --> 02:12:24,169
step compared to the previous one and

2781
02:12:31,389 --> 02:12:25,549
this is stress it's a strange phenomenon

2782
02:12:33,339 --> 02:12:31,399
and so in this paper I am basically I I

2783
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:33,349
looked at Petrie's numbers and Petri

2784
02:12:35,979 --> 02:12:34,010
marked

2785
02:12:38,439 --> 02:12:35,989
specific courses with these round

2786
02:12:40,539 --> 02:12:38,449
fractions of twenty fifths and when you

2787
02:12:42,339 --> 02:12:40,549
look at those courses it turns out that

2788
02:12:46,959 --> 02:12:42,349
in the lower portion of the pyramid they

2789
02:12:49,179 --> 02:12:46,969
tend to coincide with ceilings of spaces

2790
02:12:51,339 --> 02:12:49,189
in the pyramid so we have we know the

2791
02:12:53,649 --> 02:12:51,349
spaces we have a queen chamber we have a

2792
02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:53,659
king chamber we have a Grand Gallery and

2793
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:55,280
then we have the tower above the

2794
02:13:01,330 --> 02:12:58,010
chamber and it turns out when you look

2795
02:13:04,810 --> 02:13:01,340
at those courses that are round numbers

2796
02:13:08,010 --> 02:13:04,820
of twenty-fifths okay they've run

2797
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:08,020
through that level in the pyramid that

2798
02:13:15,100 --> 02:13:11,210
coincides with a ceiling of a space of a

2799
02:13:18,930 --> 02:13:15,110
known space and this pattern goes all

2800
02:13:21,670 --> 02:13:18,940
the way up the pyramid and based on that

2801
02:13:25,300 --> 02:13:21,680
numerical code I'm saying there has to

2802
02:13:27,580 --> 02:13:25,310
have to be spaces in the top portion of

2803
02:13:29,500 --> 02:13:27,590
the pyramid why because there is an

2804
02:13:31,090 --> 02:13:29,510
economic cost for building the pyramid

2805
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:31,100
like this you don't like I was just

2806
02:13:35,140 --> 02:13:32,930
saying you don't build a scary case with

2807
02:13:37,300 --> 02:13:35,150
uneven stairs you just make every single

2808
02:13:40,210 --> 02:13:37,310
stair the same height and the same depth

2809
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:40,220
that's the easiest way to do it but they

2810
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:42,170
didn't do that they they varied the

2811
02:13:45,580 --> 02:13:43,850
course thickness and that's an economic

2812
02:13:47,620 --> 02:13:45,590
cost that means he had to basically

2813
02:13:49,690 --> 02:13:47,630
whoever you know designed the pyramid

2814
02:13:51,700 --> 02:13:49,700
had to instruct the quarterman to cut

2815
02:13:53,410 --> 02:13:51,710
stones with different thicknesses and

2816
02:13:55,090 --> 02:13:53,420
then there's thicknesses those thicker

2817
02:13:58,120 --> 02:13:55,100
stones had to be transported up the

2818
02:14:01,120 --> 02:13:58,130
pyramid so it costs more effort more

2819
02:14:03,100 --> 02:14:01,130
time why would you do that well the best

2820
02:14:04,840 --> 02:14:03,110
way to explain it is that when you have

2821
02:14:07,810 --> 02:14:04,850
a ceiling you have to protect it and so

2822
02:14:10,060 --> 02:14:07,820
what you do is you design the space you

2823
02:14:13,420 --> 02:14:10,070
you close the space at the top and then

2824
02:14:16,570 --> 02:14:13,430
you you buttress it you basically put a

2825
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:16,580
few thicker courses above so that the

2826
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:18,890
ceiling can hold under the weight of the

2827
02:14:26,740 --> 02:14:22,850
pyramid above I'm looking at I don't

2828
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:26,750
know what it is labeled everybody's

2829
02:14:32,290 --> 02:14:29,690
gonna go and look at this but the

2830
02:14:36,010 --> 02:14:32,300
section of the passages of the Great

2831
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:36,020
Pyramid with the ratios in red black and

2832
02:14:41,380 --> 02:14:39,530
blue too as well on the outside and the

2833
02:14:45,160 --> 02:14:41,390
correlations are pretty obvious here

2834
02:14:47,320 --> 02:14:45,170
manu yeah I think there's you know John

2835
02:14:51,070 --> 02:14:47,330
Pierre had some good comments he he

2836
02:14:55,210 --> 02:14:51,080
wasn't totally on board and so he made

2837
02:14:57,010 --> 02:14:55,220
me dig up another illustration I mean

2838
02:15:00,460 --> 02:14:57,020
first of all Peters illustration is very

2839
02:15:02,170 --> 02:15:00,470
very accurate I think but I compared it

2840
02:15:04,540 --> 02:15:02,180
to another illustration and I can pretty

2841
02:15:08,050 --> 02:15:04,550
much match all of these courses there's

2842
02:15:09,220 --> 02:15:08,060
one discrepancy course number 42 but

2843
02:15:13,540 --> 02:15:09,230
otherwise I think it's

2844
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:13,550
pretty tight and so it's it's and the

2845
02:15:16,660 --> 02:15:15,290
good thing is it's a testable hypothesis

2846
02:15:18,760 --> 02:15:16,670
I mean you know all we have to do is

2847
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:18,770
scan the top portion of the pyramid put

2848
02:15:22,510 --> 02:15:20,450
the detector plates a little bit higher

2849
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:22,520
up and we have the answer and we might

2850
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:24,170
have the answer in a few months and then

2851
02:15:27,580 --> 02:15:26,330
we can say safe said it was right or

2852
02:15:32,620 --> 02:15:27,590
wrong now

2853
02:15:34,450 --> 02:15:32,630
let's uh let's clarify again let's get

2854
02:15:37,300 --> 02:15:34,460
back to the basics here and we're

2855
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:37,310
talking about each layer of stone

2856
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:40,330
starting from layer one at the bottom is

2857
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:45,050
perfectly level and an and measure dad's

2858
02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:47,440
level there's been enough laser and

2859
02:15:54,490 --> 02:15:50,330
digitizing of the pyramid and showing

2860
02:15:56,830 --> 02:15:54,500
that over time this the level level to

2861
02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:56,840
earth has not changed they are all

2862
02:16:00,729 --> 02:15:58,400
perfectly level and the stones

2863
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:00,739
themselves are leveled which you're

2864
02:16:09,790 --> 02:16:05,810
suggesting is that some of these levels

2865
02:16:13,420 --> 02:16:09,800
the thickness of the stones is different

2866
02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:13,430
from the preceding layer and matches up

2867
02:16:21,580 --> 02:16:18,650
with known ceilings and anomalies on the

2868
02:16:24,010 --> 02:16:21,590
inside of the pyramid right I mean that

2869
02:16:25,690 --> 02:16:24,020
the most the best example that anybody

2870
02:16:28,210 --> 02:16:25,700
can see from you know standing in front

2871
02:16:29,500 --> 02:16:28,220
of the pyramid is course number 235 when

2872
02:16:32,379 --> 02:16:29,510
you stand in front of the Great Pyramid

2873
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:32,389
you look up you know about you know

2874
02:16:36,459 --> 02:16:34,250
something like twenty degrees up you see

2875
02:16:39,220 --> 02:16:36,469
this definitely much thicker course and

2876
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:39,230
that's course number 35 and it turns out

2877
02:16:47,169 --> 02:16:42,650
that course sits right on top of the

2878
02:16:49,390 --> 02:16:47,179
ceiling of the Queen chamber that's a

2879
02:16:52,870 --> 02:16:49,400
that's the easiest one to see and it's

2880
02:16:57,610 --> 02:16:52,880
also on the top of the Grand Gallery it

2881
02:16:59,560 --> 02:16:57,620
is party s it cut it's sort of yeah sort

2882
02:17:01,629 --> 02:16:59,570
of crosses yes of course it crosses the

2883
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:01,639
gang clock Grand Gallery but it doesn't

2884
02:17:05,860 --> 02:17:03,679
coincide with the ceiling of the Grand

2885
02:17:07,690 --> 02:17:05,870
Gallery but it perfectly correlates with

2886
02:17:10,450 --> 02:17:07,700
the ceiling of the Queen chamber right

2887
02:17:14,310 --> 02:17:10,460
so so what I'm saying is that the

2888
02:17:17,650 --> 02:17:14,320
architect made that course that way

2889
02:17:20,620 --> 02:17:17,660
because he wanted to insert a chamber at

2890
02:17:23,050 --> 02:17:20,630
that he wanted to finish the ceiling of

2891
02:17:28,630 --> 02:17:23,060
a chamber at that particular level

2892
02:17:30,460 --> 02:17:28,640
now let's go up above the the fifth

2893
02:17:34,620 --> 02:17:30,470
relieving chamber what are you showing

2894
02:17:39,640 --> 02:17:34,630
here right so this is course number 84

2895
02:17:42,730 --> 02:17:39,650
and 84 runs across the top of the

2896
02:17:45,100 --> 02:17:42,740
granite Tower now there's an interesting

2897
02:17:47,620 --> 02:17:45,110
thing about I don't know if you have

2898
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:47,630
time to go into this but I'll just

2899
02:17:51,850 --> 02:17:49,850
mention it real quick in passing so

2900
02:17:55,690 --> 02:17:51,860
there's an interesting thing about the

2901
02:17:58,270 --> 02:17:55,700
8th 8th 25th and 5 25th those those

2902
02:18:01,180 --> 02:17:58,280
particular courses because they're not

2903
02:18:03,250 --> 02:18:01,190
really round numbers so it's not 8 it's

2904
02:18:05,770 --> 02:18:03,260
actually you know sort of an uneven

2905
02:18:07,510 --> 02:18:05,780
number and the same is with 5 but the

2906
02:18:10,540 --> 02:18:07,520
other not the other ones all the way up

2907
02:18:12,580 --> 02:18:10,550
are pretty tight and Petrie of course

2908
02:18:16,450 --> 02:18:12,590
marked all of these particular courses

2909
02:18:18,250 --> 02:18:16,460
in his in his illustration so how do you

2910
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:18,260
so you know I saw I was trying to

2911
02:18:22,660 --> 02:18:21,530
explain this and my explanation and of

2912
02:18:24,730 --> 02:18:22,670
course I could be wrong but my

2913
02:18:26,380 --> 02:18:24,740
explanation is you know I'm talking

2914
02:18:28,810 --> 02:18:26,390
about in the paper how 8 and 5 are

2915
02:18:30,730 --> 02:18:28,820
theologically important numbers to the

2916
02:18:33,010 --> 02:18:30,740
ancient Egyptians it has to do with

2917
02:18:35,070 --> 02:18:33,020
astronomy it has to do with the cycle of

2918
02:18:37,930 --> 02:18:35,080
Venus versus the cycle of serious

2919
02:18:39,700 --> 02:18:37,940
because that's an 8 to 5 correlation and

2920
02:18:41,380 --> 02:18:39,710
the architecture shows it so you can go

2921
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:41,390
to my doom pyramid compared to the Great

2922
02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:44,000
Pyramid and they're related by 5/8 so 5

2923
02:18:49,510 --> 02:18:47,330
and 8 are important numbers and there's

2924
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:49,520
more examples or we can you know and we

2925
02:18:53,590 --> 02:18:50,690
would probably not have time to get into

2926
02:18:56,260 --> 02:18:53,600
it but anyways so in this sequence from

2927
02:19:00,130 --> 02:18:56,270
10 twenty fifths all the way up to 101

2928
02:19:03,160 --> 02:19:00,140
120 fifths the five and eight positions

2929
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:03,170
are uneven and so what does that mean so

2930
02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:05,210
my interpretation in this paper is that

2931
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:08,330
those are special courses why are they

2932
02:19:11,980 --> 02:19:10,370
special is this are they special because

2933
02:19:14,710 --> 02:19:11,990
there is a space or because there isn't

2934
02:19:16,420 --> 02:19:14,720
a space so the way I'm interpreting it

2935
02:19:19,690 --> 02:19:16,430
is that it's a space that's hidden

2936
02:19:21,970 --> 02:19:19,700
that's not supposed to be known so you

2937
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:21,980
know if you go so because the granite

2938
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:25,610
Tower really wasn't a known space and it

2939
02:19:28,750 --> 02:19:27,110
might not be the granite or it could be

2940
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,760
the possible think it could be the big

2941
02:19:36,220 --> 02:19:30,800
void actually so it turns out that

2942
02:19:37,020 --> 02:19:36,230
number 84 crosses above just above the

2943
02:19:43,379 --> 02:19:37,030
big void

2944
02:19:45,900 --> 02:19:43,389
what may be designated by that

2945
02:19:47,759 --> 02:19:45,910
particular course number 84 so it's not

2946
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:47,769
the granite tower actually it's the big

2947
02:19:54,440 --> 02:19:50,650
void yeah I'm looking at it here and guy

2948
02:19:57,300 --> 02:19:54,450
moving up above that yeah the numbers

2949
02:20:00,540 --> 02:19:57,310
and the ratio between them this is my

2950
02:20:02,400 --> 02:20:00,550
visual I'm not looking at the math but

2951
02:20:06,990 --> 02:20:02,410
my eyes are saying that there is

2952
02:20:12,830 --> 02:20:07,000
something consistent here with 89 97 107

2953
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:12,840
115 129 143 161 179 and 195 that

2954
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:16,450
something is consistent here now all of

2955
02:20:22,380 --> 02:20:19,090
this this is to the audience this is all

2956
02:20:25,620 --> 02:20:22,390
above the granite our of the relieving

2957
02:20:30,540 --> 02:20:25,630
chambers right yes

2958
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:30,550
so my what I think is going on is there

2959
02:20:36,270 --> 02:20:32,170
are so there are six I think there are

2960
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:36,280
six spaces but there are two spaces the

2961
02:20:41,370 --> 02:20:38,770
a 25th and 525th

2962
02:20:43,350 --> 02:20:41,380
they're special they had some special

2963
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:43,360
meaning to the architect and I think

2964
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:45,730
that is where we're going to find if

2965
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:47,050
we're ever going to be able to see

2966
02:20:55,500 --> 02:20:51,130
inside something mind-boggling about

2967
02:20:57,960 --> 02:20:55,510
this pyramid something that that so the

2968
02:21:01,920 --> 02:20:57,970
this Great Pyramid has not revealed all

2969
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:01,930
of its secrets and I think the key to

2970
02:21:07,530 --> 02:21:04,210
the secret of the Great Pyramid is in

2971
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:07,540
those two levels there's two ceilings I

2972
02:21:12,660 --> 02:21:10,450
think of two small chambers and that's

2973
02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:12,670
where the money is now which are not the

2974
02:21:16,290 --> 02:21:14,470
money money the money in terms of them

2975
02:21:18,750 --> 02:21:16,300
right it's called the cultural treasure

2976
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:18,760
base and and what numbers are we looking

2977
02:21:25,910 --> 02:21:21,850
at here what are you thinking it would

2978
02:21:29,220 --> 02:21:25,920
be 8 so 8 2015 10 she

2979
02:21:30,690 --> 02:21:29,230
the first one and the second one is

2980
02:21:36,780 --> 02:21:30,700
number 107

2981
02:21:37,860 --> 02:21:36,790
where the surface the surface ratio is

2982
02:21:40,620 --> 02:21:37,870
525

2983
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:40,630
yeah right so it turns out it's not it's

2984
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:44,170
not a round number 5 2015 number and the

2985
02:21:50,340 --> 02:21:46,930
number saw in the paper so I think those

2986
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:50,350
two are special all the other spaces

2987
02:21:54,030 --> 02:21:50,890
they

2988
02:21:55,679 --> 02:21:54,040
logistic Jimmy I don't know so I'm

2989
02:21:57,780 --> 02:21:55,689
saying six bases maybe there are

2990
02:22:01,399 --> 02:21:57,790
logistical species maybe so I you know I

2991
02:22:03,929 --> 02:22:01,409
said to hold on maybe this is

2992
02:22:05,790 --> 02:22:03,939
circumstantial evidence that the

2993
02:22:09,599 --> 02:22:05,800
internal ramp theory is still alive and

2994
02:22:11,010 --> 02:22:09,609
maybe the scan will corroborate it you

2995
02:22:13,559 --> 02:22:11,020
know so that's one way you can interpret

2996
02:22:15,870 --> 02:22:13,569
it but I am more focused on those two

2997
02:22:17,849 --> 02:22:15,880
specific levels five and eight twenty

2998
02:22:19,769 --> 02:22:17,859
fifth and five twenty fifth because I

2999
02:22:22,969 --> 02:22:19,779
think there is something there that the

3000
02:22:27,179 --> 02:22:22,979
architect wanted to hide well but then

3001
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:27,189
129 and 195 are also very interesting to

3002
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:29,050
me too as well and I've often thought

3003
02:22:33,870 --> 02:22:31,600
that there must be something at the top

3004
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:33,880
of the pyramid yes it would also be the

3005
02:22:39,149 --> 02:22:35,920
easiest thing to build too you have less

3006
02:22:42,660 --> 02:22:39,159
rocks yeah putting into place absolutely

3007
02:22:44,639 --> 02:22:42,670
if I work who if I if let's say well let

3008
02:22:47,849 --> 02:22:44,649
me be open mind let's say whoever built

3009
02:22:50,429 --> 02:22:47,859
this pyramid who ever wanted to make

3010
02:22:55,769 --> 02:22:50,439
this statement if I were that person he

3011
02:22:58,920 --> 02:22:55,779
or she I would want to be inside the top

3012
02:23:00,960 --> 02:22:58,930
somehow up there so I can see the world

3013
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:00,970
from the top that's right that's right

3014
02:23:06,090 --> 02:23:03,520
yeah maybe it's almost you know it's

3015
02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:06,100
bizarre that there was no easy way to

3016
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:07,810
get to the top you built this mountain

3017
02:23:14,010 --> 02:23:11,040
and then there's no way to get up there

3018
02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:14,020
and you're a when you and when you are

3019
02:23:18,450 --> 02:23:15,970
up there you're seeing you're

3020
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:18,460
practically seeing the circumference of

3021
02:23:23,460 --> 02:23:19,840
the earth you've got an unobstructed

3022
02:23:27,870 --> 02:23:23,470
view with south east and west and

3023
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:27,880
wouldn't you want that how do i that

3024
02:23:34,439 --> 02:23:31,330
that panoramic that cinematic thing to

3025
02:23:36,269 --> 02:23:34,449
be part of who you are right that yeah

3026
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:36,279
you know that's why everybody climbs to

3027
02:23:40,620 --> 02:23:39,010
the top right and you you know we have

3028
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:40,630
sort of proof of exactly what you're

3029
02:23:46,500 --> 02:23:43,120
saying because JD Frey you know Khufu

3030
02:23:49,050 --> 02:23:46,510
son he built a pyramid on an I on a hill

3031
02:23:50,729 --> 02:23:49,060
just so you know ten kilometers 15

3032
02:23:53,130 --> 02:23:50,739
kilometers to the north he wanted to be

3033
02:23:56,429 --> 02:23:53,140
up there so so there was something about

3034
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:56,439
being high high up there so if he wanted

3035
02:24:02,280 --> 02:23:58,960
it why didn't go for what that's exactly

3036
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:02,290
right and now okay let me ask you this

3037
02:24:04,650 --> 02:24:04,090
before I mean it can I keep you for a

3038
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:04,660
little over

3039
02:24:09,810 --> 02:24:07,570
I'm tonight sure okay so more hours

3040
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:09,820
Jimmy yeah let's do it let's do it two

3041
02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:11,290
hours all the time

3042
02:24:21,390 --> 02:24:19,170
now we this is we have a 2d or 1d or 2d

3043
02:24:23,310 --> 02:24:21,400
representation here we have the height

3044
02:24:27,750 --> 02:24:23,320
right we have the positioning of the

3045
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:27,760
height what about triangulation to now

3046
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:32,290
find the position of the chambers yeah

3047
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:35,530
so the well remember so the the course

3048
02:24:40,020 --> 02:24:38,650
is Marx in in this model marks the

3049
02:24:42,450 --> 02:24:40,030
ceiling of the chamber and by the way

3050
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:42,460
this is also what Rudolf gotten brachii

3051
02:24:47,730 --> 02:24:44,050
I have to bring him in because he's

3052
02:24:50,761 --> 02:24:47,740
really the one who first described this

3053
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:50,771
phenomenon that the design is focused on

3054
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:53,530
ceilings not ground not not the ground

3055
02:24:59,250 --> 02:24:55,450
level this is a very important concept

3056
02:25:01,320 --> 02:24:59,260
okay architectural speaking so he's the

3057
02:25:03,020 --> 02:25:01,330
first one who described it but he of

3058
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:03,030
course he wasn't focused on surface

3059
02:25:08,881 --> 02:25:06,130
ratios he was focused on distances and

3060
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:08,891
in his publication he's basically saying

3061
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:11,290
you know that the distances were all

3062
02:25:17,820 --> 02:25:14,170
multiples of 17 and 11 cubits and there

3063
02:25:20,580 --> 02:25:17,830
are some prime numbers and but most of

3064
02:25:24,030 --> 02:25:20,590
most of that design is in the horizontal

3065
02:25:25,980 --> 02:25:24,040
dimension this what I'm proposing is the

3066
02:25:27,960 --> 02:25:25,990
vertical growth of the pyramid so

3067
02:25:29,790 --> 02:25:27,970
whoever designed this and of course I

3068
02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:29,800
think it was him you know you will

3069
02:25:32,730 --> 02:25:31,090
probably disagree with that because

3070
02:25:38,190 --> 02:25:32,740
you're saying it was it's prehistoric

3071
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:38,200
but be that as it may the the vertical

3072
02:25:42,450 --> 02:25:40,410
growth of the pyramid had to be also

3073
02:25:44,940 --> 02:25:42,460
pre-planned it had to be sort of

3074
02:25:46,801 --> 02:25:44,950
conceptualized and I think that's a good

3075
02:25:48,480 --> 02:25:46,811
it's an it's something that I wouldn't

3076
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:48,490
think about it this way but now that I

3077
02:25:53,180 --> 02:25:51,130
see it it makes a lot of sense he

3078
02:25:55,440 --> 02:25:53,190
basically consider or he or she

3079
02:25:57,360 --> 02:25:55,450
conceptualized this in in terms of

3080
02:26:00,390 --> 02:25:57,370
ratios and that way you had sort of a

3081
02:26:02,970 --> 02:26:00,400
feel for how fast you're going up to

3082
02:26:04,591 --> 02:26:02,980
pyramid and what's the what's the amount

3083
02:26:07,410 --> 02:26:04,601
of stone that you need to build a

3084
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:07,420
particular level up there and then you

3085
02:26:11,070 --> 02:26:09,280
and then what you do is when you have a

3086
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:11,080
space you have to protect the space and

3087
02:26:15,540 --> 02:26:13,450
so what you do is you suddenly increase

3088
02:26:18,060 --> 02:26:15,550
the height of the courses immediately

3089
02:26:18,421 --> 02:26:18,070
above so you take the pressure off your

3090
02:26:21,961 --> 02:26:18,431
basic

3091
02:26:25,770 --> 02:26:21,971
the bolster against the pressure that's

3092
02:26:28,980 --> 02:26:25,780
coming from above well there that part

3093
02:26:31,440 --> 02:26:28,990
of it which is is something that I think

3094
02:26:33,480 --> 02:26:31,450
about often but you know what

3095
02:26:35,881 --> 02:26:33,490
I'm gonna take it one step further there

3096
02:26:38,180 --> 02:26:35,891
is that and it's very complex and it's

3097
02:26:41,911 --> 02:26:38,190
heavy engineering even by today's

3098
02:26:43,861 --> 02:26:41,921
technology it's crazy crazy engineering

3099
02:26:47,281 --> 02:26:43,871
that is involved but there's one other

3100
02:26:51,991 --> 02:26:47,291
thing that I can't wrap my head around

3101
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:52,001
and you brought up Rudolf who's still I

3102
02:26:58,140 --> 02:26:54,570
hold in the highest regard yeah the

3103
02:27:01,201 --> 02:26:58,150
Rudolf gate and bring is that each one

3104
02:27:02,881 --> 02:27:01,211
of these sections of the pyramid whether

3105
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:02,891
it's the Grand Gallery or the King's

3106
02:27:13,350 --> 02:27:09,490
Chamber and all of the all of the shafts

3107
02:27:16,940 --> 02:27:13,360
that came out of the pyramid all of that

3108
02:27:19,501 --> 02:27:16,950
the stones have to be built around and

3109
02:27:22,770 --> 02:27:19,511
pre-planned for all of this

3110
02:27:25,890 --> 02:27:22,780
those those shafts exiting the pyramid

3111
02:27:30,480 --> 02:27:25,900
they sound simple but you're talking

3112
02:27:32,911 --> 02:27:30,490
about 50 70 layers of stone that are

3113
02:27:37,201 --> 02:27:32,921
built around each one of those shafts

3114
02:27:40,831 --> 02:27:37,211
and allow the shaft to be there why do

3115
02:27:45,531 --> 02:27:40,841
not understand how that was done

3116
02:27:49,081 --> 02:27:45,541
yeah unless maybe and and one of the ADA

3117
02:27:51,841 --> 02:27:49,091
is that it was built solid and then they

3118
02:27:54,001 --> 02:27:51,851
board the shafts out right well that

3119
02:27:57,871 --> 02:27:54,011
sounds impossible but it would give you

3120
02:27:59,281 --> 02:27:57,881
a clean shaft right okay right that's

3121
02:28:02,970 --> 02:27:59,291
actually that's a great point you just

3122
02:28:06,180 --> 02:28:02,980
made and forgotten bring said that that

3123
02:28:07,861 --> 02:28:06,190
would cause instability so exactly what

3124
02:28:09,511 --> 02:28:07,871
you just said they couldn't do that so

3125
02:28:10,801 --> 02:28:09,521
they did it to heart they have to do it

3126
02:28:13,291 --> 02:28:10,811
the hard way which is what you first

3127
02:28:16,291 --> 02:28:13,301
said they had to construct the shafts

3128
02:28:20,041 --> 02:28:16,301
around each piece by piece with each one

3129
02:28:23,571 --> 02:28:20,051
and and still somehow create a perfectly

3130
02:28:28,290 --> 02:28:23,581
straight shaft right we're talking about

3131
02:28:31,590 --> 02:28:28,300
five thousand years ago yes

3132
02:28:35,790 --> 02:28:31,600
man all right you know I just I can't I

3133
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:35,800
can't accept it my mind says no well you

3134
02:28:40,830 --> 02:28:39,250
asked Robert Bauval and he will tell you

3135
02:28:43,620 --> 02:28:40,840
know Robert of could you know he's an

3136
02:28:45,660 --> 02:28:43,630
engineer he's an engineer and but the

3137
02:28:46,830 --> 02:28:45,670
purpose of the shafts right so you just

3138
02:28:48,780 --> 02:28:46,840
bring an excellent point you're saying

3139
02:28:50,969 --> 02:28:48,790
why would you put this much effort into

3140
02:28:54,300 --> 02:28:50,979
building these shafts when they're just

3141
02:28:56,639 --> 02:28:54,310
an air shaft and that's a that's exactly

3142
02:28:58,830 --> 02:28:56,649
the problem right so I think the only

3143
02:29:00,960 --> 02:28:58,840
reason why you put so much effort into

3144
02:29:04,170 --> 02:29:00,970
building the shaft is if it has a really

3145
02:29:06,510 --> 02:29:04,180
strong there is a there has to be a

3146
02:29:08,639 --> 02:29:06,520
heavy reason like you know a theological

3147
02:29:09,990 --> 02:29:08,649
reason something like that to put all

3148
02:29:12,330 --> 02:29:10,000
this effort in it and that's of course

3149
02:29:17,340 --> 02:29:12,340
what Paul is saying that the shafts are

3150
02:29:19,740 --> 02:29:17,350
aiming for stars yeah absolutely let's

3151
02:29:21,780 --> 02:29:19,750
take a break right here and we'll just

3152
02:29:23,910 --> 02:29:21,790
continue the fascinating conversation I

3153
02:29:26,670 --> 02:29:23,920
absolutely love it there's nothing like

3154
02:29:29,250 --> 02:29:26,680
Egypt talk on fade to black money it's

3155
02:29:30,809 --> 02:29:29,260
my favorite thing to do let's take a

3156
02:29:32,370 --> 02:29:30,819
break right here we'll do some overtime

3157
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:32,380
with my new right after this short break

3158
02:29:36,990 --> 02:29:35,530
I am your host Jimmy Church this is fade

3159
02:29:40,830 --> 02:29:37,000
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3160
02:29:42,719 --> 02:29:40,840
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3161
02:29:46,660 --> 02:29:42,729
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3162
02:29:46,670 --> 02:30:08,820
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3163
02:30:16,930 --> 02:30:11,501
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3164
02:30:20,051 --> 02:30:16,940
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our guest tonight money saves a day is

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with us we're discussing his paper that

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was just published today we'll get the

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links up to that for everybody after the

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show and throughout tomorrow where you

3252
02:34:57,960 --> 02:34:53,680
can go and read this and Manu

3253
02:35:00,810 --> 02:34:57,970
one of the things as I read through the

3254
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:00,820
paper a couple of times now one of the

3255
02:35:09,530 --> 02:35:03,010
things that is suggested here which I

3256
02:35:12,450 --> 02:35:09,540
fully understand is extreme complex math

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02:35:17,670 --> 02:35:12,460
that has to have been incorporated into

3258
02:35:22,310 --> 02:35:17,680
the building here we're talking about 25

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50 BC 20 said if we you know go with

3260
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Orthodox Dogma right okay

3261
02:35:31,440 --> 02:35:29,260
but that's what you are suggesting here

3262
02:35:35,940 --> 02:35:31,450
and I totally understand that and accept

3263
02:35:39,630 --> 02:35:35,950
that but the Egyptians if we understand

3264
02:35:43,170 --> 02:35:39,640
what Egyptologists tell us they didn't

3265
02:35:45,960 --> 02:35:43,180
have this type of math back then we

3266
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:45,970
can't have one without the other so how

3267
02:35:51,360 --> 02:35:48,850
are you going to tackle that criticism

3268
02:35:53,820 --> 02:35:51,370
when it comes about this paper yeah

3269
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:53,830
that's a that's a great point so the

3270
02:35:58,590 --> 02:35:56,890
math actually that I see here you know

3271
02:36:01,219 --> 02:35:58,600
what I'm describing this paper I see

3272
02:36:03,780 --> 02:36:01,229
that math in the mastaba Ave me you know

3273
02:36:06,180 --> 02:36:03,790
of course that's another talk and you

3274
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:06,190
know we we can talk about all that next

3275
02:36:11,730 --> 02:36:09,040
time we Chad but this is a this is a

3276
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:11,740
great point I in order to make the case

3277
02:36:18,390 --> 02:36:14,770
that the pyramid was built in the Old

3278
02:36:20,040 --> 02:36:18,400
Kingdom you have to really the gold

3279
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:20,050
standard would be to have an arc you and

3280
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:22,690
an architectural blueprint which of

3281
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:24,160
course we don't have we don't have any

3282
02:36:30,060 --> 02:36:27,010
written evidence that of the design

3283
02:36:32,730 --> 02:36:30,070
having been made then but the

3284
02:36:35,850 --> 02:36:32,740
fascinating thing is that we may have it

3285
02:36:38,100 --> 02:36:35,860
in a numerical form and that is the

3286
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:38,110
mastaba of him you know sg4 thousands in

3287
02:36:42,180 --> 02:36:39,610
the West field it's one of the largest

3288
02:36:45,390 --> 02:36:42,190
mustapha's in the cemeteries there and

3289
02:36:47,510 --> 02:36:45,400
him you know is the purported architect

3290
02:36:51,860 --> 02:36:47,520
of the Great Pyramid

3291
02:36:54,751 --> 02:36:51,870
and so this math rows M

3292
02:36:56,131 --> 02:36:54,761
the numbers that I see in the mastaba

3293
02:36:58,831 --> 02:36:56,141
and then you know again it's and it's

3294
02:37:00,720 --> 02:36:58,841
another talk we can talk about it so but

3295
02:37:02,490 --> 02:37:00,730
when you talk about complex mathematics

3296
02:37:03,930 --> 02:37:02,500
you know I thought you were talking

3297
02:37:07,051 --> 02:37:03,940
about the type of mathematics that for

3298
02:37:08,850 --> 02:37:07,061
example Alan Green has described or or

3299
02:37:11,970 --> 02:37:08,860
Gary Osborne you know I mean these are

3300
02:37:15,331 --> 02:37:11,980
great analyses I highly respect you know

3301
02:37:17,461 --> 02:37:15,341
the two of them and they were of course

3302
02:37:21,450 --> 02:37:17,471
say there's no way that that type of

3303
02:37:23,700 --> 02:37:21,460
math was you know at hand in his time I

3304
02:37:26,881 --> 02:37:23,710
do have an answer for that but I think I

3305
02:37:29,700 --> 02:37:26,891
want to let their theory stand for now I

3306
02:37:31,820 --> 02:37:29,710
think they make great points and I know

3307
02:37:34,680 --> 02:37:31,830
you've you're familiar with them

3308
02:37:36,270 --> 02:37:34,690
and I think I think that's the beauty of

3309
02:37:38,730 --> 02:37:36,280
it we have a do we have a healthy debate

3310
02:37:40,711 --> 02:37:38,740
we have a we have a scientific debate

3311
02:37:43,140 --> 02:37:40,721
between the different parties and that's

3312
02:37:45,870 --> 02:37:43,150
the way it should be well we have we

3313
02:37:49,051 --> 02:37:45,880
have two ways to look at this and that

3314
02:37:52,860 --> 02:37:49,061
they're very simple either all of the

3315
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:52,870
math is coincidence and luck and you

3316
02:37:58,410 --> 02:37:55,330
could find this kind of fascinating math

3317
02:38:01,801 --> 02:37:58,420
in in a bar stool right if it's

3318
02:38:03,631 --> 02:38:01,811
elegantly designed you guess it but you

3319
02:38:05,220 --> 02:38:03,641
can get pie out of it you can get the

3320
02:38:06,990 --> 02:38:05,230
circumference of the earth out of it you

3321
02:38:09,810 --> 02:38:07,000
could probably get the speed of light

3322
02:38:12,091 --> 02:38:09,820
out of a barstool if you sat there and

3323
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:12,101
did a right and it's really different

3324
02:38:19,100 --> 02:38:13,450
with a lot of years right right

3325
02:38:22,410 --> 02:38:19,110
certainly or they did have a grasp of

3326
02:38:27,980 --> 02:38:22,420
complex math and and geometry and

3327
02:38:33,270 --> 02:38:27,990
algebra and things that weren't proven

3328
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:33,280
for 2,000 years yes Alan I'm so happy

3329
02:38:38,370 --> 02:38:35,290
that you bring this up because this is

3330
02:38:41,820 --> 02:38:38,380
one of my pet peeves there is a third

3331
02:38:44,280 --> 02:38:41,830
path Jimmy so the way you just said it

3332
02:38:47,011 --> 02:38:44,290
beautifully either it's random chance or

3333
02:38:49,711 --> 02:38:47,021
is intentional but see right there's a

3334
02:38:51,410 --> 02:38:49,721
third possibility and we have to exclude

3335
02:38:55,831 --> 02:38:51,420
it and that third possibility is

3336
02:38:57,690 --> 02:38:55,841
incidental occurrence so what is that an

3337
02:39:00,211 --> 02:38:57,700
incidental occurred for it I'll give you

3338
02:39:03,331 --> 02:39:00,221
a simple example if you design if you

3339
02:39:04,350 --> 02:39:03,341
design anything based on a square you

3340
02:39:06,001 --> 02:39:04,360
are incident

3341
02:39:08,370 --> 02:39:06,011
they also importing the square root of

3342
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:08,380
two okay now the square root of two is

3343
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:11,290
an irrational number and nobody would

3344
02:39:15,091 --> 02:39:13,690
say that the ancients knew the square

3345
02:39:17,970 --> 02:39:15,101
root of two because it's a number that

3346
02:39:21,560 --> 02:39:17,980
never ends right but simply by designing

3347
02:39:23,940 --> 02:39:21,570
something that's a square you are also

3348
02:39:27,001 --> 02:39:23,950
incorporating a diagonal between the

3349
02:39:29,430 --> 02:39:27,011
corners and the diagonal is related to

3350
02:39:31,890 --> 02:39:29,440
the square root of two so does that mean

3351
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:31,900
that the designer of a square building

3352
02:39:37,320 --> 02:39:34,000
knew the square root of 2 no it means

3353
02:39:41,011 --> 02:39:37,330
that the square root of 2 is imported by

3354
02:39:45,390 --> 02:39:41,021
necessity but unwittingly by virtue of

3355
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:45,400
the design of of a square so that's not

3356
02:39:49,650 --> 02:39:47,200
random chance and it's also not

3357
02:39:51,421 --> 02:39:49,660
intentional it's incidental and this is

3358
02:39:54,211 --> 02:39:51,431
a big big point that I'm trying to

3359
02:39:59,671 --> 02:39:54,221
convey to my colleagues on the other

3360
02:40:02,131 --> 02:39:59,681
side of this incidental is fine with

3361
02:40:05,131 --> 02:40:02,141
something like that in a very basic

3362
02:40:08,970 --> 02:40:05,141
presentation ok so you have equal sides

3363
02:40:11,791 --> 02:40:08,980
and two you know they a piece of string

3364
02:40:14,881 --> 02:40:11,801
created a block that or room that was /

3365
02:40:17,100 --> 02:40:14,891
ok ok I get ok I can I come at my header

3366
02:40:19,950 --> 02:40:17,110
on that but then you bring in the golden

3367
02:40:23,430 --> 02:40:19,960
ratio you bring in PI bringing the speed

3368
02:40:23,751 --> 02:40:23,440
of light or the the circumference of the

3369
02:40:27,541 --> 02:40:23,761
earth

3370
02:40:30,180 --> 02:40:27,551
yeah start bringing em in those are all

3371
02:40:32,520 --> 02:40:30,190
different cans of warms you just open up

3372
02:40:34,230 --> 02:40:32,530
ok so let me just stick for example just

3373
02:40:37,620 --> 02:40:34,240
to the just for now just a pyramid

3374
02:40:39,841 --> 02:40:37,630
itself all the math that you pull out of

3375
02:40:41,041 --> 02:40:39,851
the different ratios of the different

3376
02:40:42,751 --> 02:40:41,051
dimensions I'm not sure about my paper

3377
02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:42,761
I'm talking about let's say what Alan

3378
02:40:47,461 --> 02:40:45,250
Greenwood proposed sure you could say

3379
02:40:50,461 --> 02:40:47,471
that all of that math is incidental to

3380
02:40:52,980 --> 02:40:50,471
the pyramid angle you build a pyramid

3381
02:40:55,921 --> 02:40:52,990
based on the pyramid angle of you know

3382
02:40:57,961 --> 02:40:55,931
five and a half pounds per cubed and you

3383
02:41:00,301 --> 02:40:57,971
have a pyramid and that protector mydoom

3384
02:41:02,490 --> 02:41:00,311
pyramid the Baidu pyramid is based on

3385
02:41:05,011 --> 02:41:02,500
exactly the same angle it's five and a

3386
02:41:06,660 --> 02:41:05,021
half pounds per cubed it's just five

3387
02:41:09,360 --> 02:41:06,670
eighths smaller than the Great Pyramid

3388
02:41:12,030 --> 02:41:09,370
all of the math and I mean all of it

3389
02:41:14,970 --> 02:41:12,040
that you can pull out of the various you

3390
02:41:17,910 --> 02:41:14,980
know observations you can pull out of

3391
02:41:18,301 --> 02:41:17,920
the mydoom pyramid - and why because

3392
02:41:20,581 --> 02:41:18,311
it's

3393
02:41:21,930 --> 02:41:20,591
pyramid based on the golden angle the

3394
02:41:25,980 --> 02:41:21,940
golden angle is five and a half pounds

3395
02:41:29,640 --> 02:41:25,990
per cubed so so is it random chance no

3396
02:41:32,421 --> 02:41:29,650
is it intentional no it's incidental to

3397
02:41:37,350 --> 02:41:32,431
the pyramid angle so this is one way to

3398
02:41:40,591 --> 02:41:37,360
to open up a third path here but I don't

3399
02:41:43,951 --> 02:41:40,601
know I am you know I love like I said I

3400
02:41:45,991 --> 02:41:43,961
highly respect the what Alan has written

3401
02:41:47,581 --> 02:41:46,001
what Gary Osborne and others effort and

3402
02:41:49,951 --> 02:41:47,591
I respect it because they could be right

3403
02:41:51,690 --> 02:41:49,961
and what I'm saying could be wrong but I

3404
02:41:53,911 --> 02:41:51,700
just wanted to make this kids I just

3405
02:41:56,491 --> 02:41:53,921
wanted to make this point that it's not

3406
02:41:59,220 --> 02:41:56,501
a toccata me it's not you know black or

3407
02:42:02,131 --> 02:41:59,230
white it's not two cams it's three camps

3408
02:42:04,411 --> 02:42:02,141
and and if as long as as soon as you

3409
02:42:06,930 --> 02:42:04,421
open up that third possibility you could

3410
02:42:08,491 --> 02:42:06,940
actually explain a lot not the speed of

3411
02:42:09,751 --> 02:42:08,501
light so you brought that up too and I

3412
02:42:12,871 --> 02:42:09,761
want to make a comment about that too

3413
02:42:14,761 --> 02:42:12,881
that is one of the few riddles about

3414
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:14,771
this pyramid the position on the globe

3415
02:42:21,720 --> 02:42:19,200
and the the the latitude numerical

3416
02:42:24,180 --> 02:42:21,730
identity with you know the speed of

3417
02:42:26,251 --> 02:42:24,190
light number that is mind-boggling and I

3418
02:42:28,831 --> 02:42:26,261
have not I have to I have a video on my

3419
02:42:30,451 --> 02:42:28,841
youtube channel trying to explain it

3420
02:42:33,451 --> 02:42:30,461
with this third pathway that I'm

3421
02:42:35,491 --> 02:42:33,461
mentioning but I am in the first to tell

3422
02:42:38,491 --> 02:42:35,501
you I have not succeeded I actually went

3423
02:42:41,220 --> 02:42:38,501
to the 30th parallel in in Cairo on my

3424
02:42:43,051 --> 02:42:41,230
last trip I I wanted to see what that

3425
02:42:44,850 --> 02:42:43,061
looks like and you know what Jimmy that

3426
02:42:46,220 --> 02:42:44,860
is an archeological site I bet you

3427
02:42:50,161 --> 02:42:46,230
there's something under that ground

3428
02:42:52,951 --> 02:42:50,171
exactly at the 30.000 zero degree

3429
02:42:55,801 --> 02:42:52,961
latitude in because that's exactly where

3430
02:42:59,520 --> 02:42:55,811
the Meridian crosses the 30th latitude

3431
02:43:01,110 --> 02:42:59,530
it's ten pyramid lengths north of the

3432
02:43:03,001 --> 02:43:01,120
Great Pyramid so if you take the Great

3433
02:43:05,610 --> 02:43:03,011
Pyramid and you move it ten times north

3434
02:43:09,001 --> 02:43:05,620
you're exactly on the thirtieth latitude

3435
02:43:11,640 --> 02:43:09,011
and there's one other point let's well

3436
02:43:15,690 --> 02:43:11,650
there's many points but let's go back to

3437
02:43:19,621 --> 02:43:15,700
what you said which is paramount

3438
02:43:22,501 --> 02:43:19,631
we don't have if if this if the pyramid

3439
02:43:25,171 --> 02:43:22,511
was done today we would have a warehouse

3440
02:43:29,121 --> 02:43:25,181
full of blueprints and design and

3441
02:43:30,970 --> 02:43:29,131
engineering it would be a ginormous

3442
02:43:33,381 --> 02:43:30,980
project

3443
02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:33,391
hundreds of drawing boards and computers

3444
02:43:41,180 --> 02:43:38,250
and and pencils just a crazy amount of

3445
02:43:44,961 --> 02:43:41,190
thought and and and expertise put into

3446
02:43:48,440 --> 02:43:44,971
it clearly we don't have that so that

3447
02:43:51,650 --> 02:43:48,450
would suggest that there was one brain

3448
02:43:56,150 --> 02:43:51,660
behind the pyramid that is literally in

3449
02:43:59,390 --> 02:43:56,160
all of these sites that is building on a

3450
02:44:01,251 --> 02:43:59,400
whim that is telling everybody what to

3451
02:44:05,150 --> 02:44:01,261
do that everything is in somebody's

3452
02:44:09,110 --> 02:44:05,160
brain yes it's it's not drawn out and I

3453
02:44:11,870 --> 02:44:09,120
I can't accept that I know I agree with

3454
02:44:13,730 --> 02:44:11,880
you I it's it's it's it's remarkable and

3455
02:44:17,180 --> 02:44:13,740
of course you know cosmic womb

3456
02:44:19,730 --> 02:44:17,190
Robert is proposing what one of the ways

3457
02:44:21,530 --> 02:44:19,740
to he explains it is that it's an

3458
02:44:23,720 --> 02:44:21,540
entanglement there's it's a message from

3459
02:44:26,570 --> 02:44:23,730
outer space it comes from some

3460
02:44:28,780 --> 02:44:26,580
self-aware intelligence far more

3461
02:44:31,940 --> 02:44:28,790
advanced than we are and it basically

3462
02:44:34,671 --> 02:44:31,950
inserted this brilliant idea into the

3463
02:44:36,501 --> 02:44:34,681
architects mind and this is in other

3464
02:44:40,551 --> 02:44:36,511
words this whole thing is a one-person

3465
02:44:43,341 --> 02:44:40,561
genius and that genius designed this

3466
02:44:45,020 --> 02:44:43,351
structure that's one way you could

3467
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:45,030
explain it and and you know I remember

3468
02:44:49,070 --> 02:44:46,800
sitting with Brecker we had breakfast

3469
02:44:52,040 --> 02:44:49,080
with Robert and we were discussing you

3470
02:44:53,660 --> 02:44:52,050
know the different ways and and and he

3471
02:44:55,011 --> 02:44:53,670
has a you know yeah as always he has an

3472
02:44:58,700 --> 02:44:55,021
amazing way to think about these things

3473
02:45:00,200 --> 02:44:58,710
and I I I found myself I had to I had to

3474
02:45:03,290 --> 02:45:00,210
go I agreed with him I said you know

3475
02:45:05,301 --> 02:45:03,300
what did you write this is possible this

3476
02:45:08,270 --> 02:45:05,311
is just a strike of a genius and it may

3477
02:45:11,540 --> 02:45:08,280
it may come from and as an exterior

3478
02:45:13,730 --> 02:45:11,550
source we the way that physics goes

3479
02:45:17,301 --> 02:45:13,740
nowadays and what we know about the

3480
02:45:20,421 --> 02:45:17,311
cosmos I think this is on the table that

3481
02:45:24,020 --> 02:45:20,431
explanation well we have to try to

3482
02:45:27,921 --> 02:45:24,030
figure out how this this intelligence

3483
02:45:32,230 --> 02:45:27,931
just surfaced at 3,000 BC in Egypt right

3484
02:45:36,700 --> 02:45:32,240
suddenly they went from one phase of of

3485
02:45:39,620 --> 02:45:36,710
living in in the desert and surviving to

3486
02:45:41,301 --> 02:45:39,630
virtually overnight having this

3487
02:45:43,059 --> 02:45:41,311
knowledge and it wasn't just the

3488
02:45:46,119 --> 02:45:43,069
knowledge of construction

3489
02:45:48,159 --> 02:45:46,129
but it was agriculture it was religion

3490
02:45:52,179 --> 02:45:48,169
it was government taxation it was laws

3491
02:45:55,300 --> 02:45:52,189
if a lot of things came into play here

3492
02:45:57,670 --> 02:45:55,310
yeah all overnight but there's there's

3493
02:46:00,790 --> 02:45:57,680
one other thing that complicates it for

3494
02:46:03,699 --> 02:46:00,800
me and it is the building of it

3495
02:46:06,989 --> 02:46:03,709
certainly but we've got to go back to

3496
02:46:10,449 --> 02:46:06,999
the foundation and that these were

3497
02:46:11,139 --> 02:46:10,459
perfectly oriented north south east and

3498
02:46:15,989 --> 02:46:11,149
west

3499
02:46:21,069 --> 02:46:15,999
I mean not not perfectly but frigging

3500
02:46:23,229 --> 02:46:21,079
perfectly okay and leveled and the

3501
02:46:25,059 --> 02:46:23,239
knowledge of this of building a

3502
02:46:27,119 --> 02:46:25,069
foundation from an engineering

3503
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:27,129
standpoint is something that we are

3504
02:46:32,710 --> 02:46:31,010
still coming to terms with today how to

3505
02:46:34,359 --> 02:46:32,720
build a skyscraper or how to get the

3506
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:34,369
foundation how to get the footings how

3507
02:46:39,189 --> 02:46:36,770
to get the engineering right all of that

3508
02:46:41,859 --> 02:46:39,199
is stuff that we deal with every single

3509
02:46:45,659 --> 02:46:41,869
day we're learning it today back then at

3510
02:46:46,989 --> 02:46:45,669
3000 BC apparently it was pretty easy

3511
02:46:49,659 --> 02:46:46,999
all right

3512
02:46:51,670 --> 02:46:49,669
yeah that's why I did well if they I

3513
02:46:55,059 --> 02:46:51,680
mean of course there is proposed models

3514
02:46:58,210 --> 02:46:55,069
either the Sun shadows or the stars were

3515
02:46:59,829 --> 02:46:58,220
used and the pretext also I'm I wrote

3516
02:47:02,349 --> 02:46:59,839
about this in one of my papers the

3517
02:47:05,710 --> 02:47:02,359
pyramid code origin of the pyramid code

3518
02:47:08,229 --> 02:47:05,720
which came out last year is the the

3519
02:47:09,939 --> 02:47:08,239
reason potential reason why pyramids

3520
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:09,949
were suddenly oriented in the

3521
02:47:14,679 --> 02:47:12,319
north-south direction is because the

3522
02:47:17,949 --> 02:47:14,689
star Alkaid from the you know the Big

3523
02:47:20,170 --> 02:47:17,959
Dipper the hoof star which is what you

3524
02:47:22,510 --> 02:47:20,180
know Robert wrote about this that the jo

3525
02:47:24,099 --> 02:47:22,520
ser pyramid is set up where the little

3526
02:47:26,260 --> 02:47:24,109
statue of Joe Sara looks through the

3527
02:47:28,750 --> 02:47:26,270
little peak holes right that that is

3528
02:47:32,649 --> 02:47:28,760
oriented thought it was oriented tall's

3529
02:47:35,260 --> 02:47:32,659
allocate the star and so it turns out

3530
02:47:38,409 --> 02:47:35,270
that and this is based on the work of

3531
02:47:42,399 --> 02:47:38,419
one Belmonte is that it's possible that

3532
02:47:44,409 --> 02:47:42,409
al Cates disappeared it became it was no

3533
02:47:46,809 --> 02:47:44,419
longer imperishable it was not a star

3534
02:47:48,340 --> 02:47:46,819
that was always visible every night it

3535
02:47:50,199 --> 02:47:48,350
suddenly became and this is due to

3536
02:47:52,689 --> 02:47:50,209
precession so all of a sudden that star

3537
02:47:54,159 --> 02:47:52,699
dipped under the horizon so the

3538
02:47:56,050 --> 02:47:54,169
Egyptians couldn't see it and that was a

3539
02:47:59,500 --> 02:47:56,060
you know sort of a

3540
02:48:01,750 --> 02:47:59,510
and paradigm changing phenomenon and so

3541
02:48:04,269 --> 02:48:01,760
what they did is they started orienting

3542
02:48:06,700 --> 02:48:04,279
to pyramids now instead to to ban which

3543
02:48:08,950 --> 02:48:06,710
was the the the North Star in that time

3544
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:08,960
and the first pyramid that was oriented

3545
02:48:12,599 --> 02:48:10,970
that way it was a small step pyramid

3546
02:48:15,429 --> 02:48:12,609
next to the mydoom pyramid so if you go

3547
02:48:17,800 --> 02:48:15,439
west about ten kilometers from my doom

3548
02:48:19,630 --> 02:48:17,810
there's a small step pyramid built by

3549
02:48:21,610 --> 02:48:19,640
sniffer oh and that is the first pyramid

3550
02:48:24,519 --> 02:48:21,620
that was oriented in that direction and

3551
02:48:26,320 --> 02:48:24,529
there's an astronomer Julie O'Malley you

3552
02:48:29,500 --> 02:48:26,330
might know him he is actually they they

3553
02:48:32,019 --> 02:48:29,510
did a detailed orientation study of all

3554
02:48:35,139 --> 02:48:32,029
Egyptian monuments and I think these

3555
02:48:36,670 --> 02:48:35,149
pyramids are all you know measured but

3556
02:48:38,650 --> 02:48:36,680
to your point the Great Pyramid is the

3557
02:48:40,059 --> 02:48:38,660
accuracy is mind-boggling it's

3558
02:48:43,780 --> 02:48:40,069
incredible

3559
02:48:45,580 --> 02:48:43,790
and yeah it if you want to make the case

3560
02:48:47,979 --> 02:48:45,590
that they couldn't couldn't have done it

3561
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:47,989
I I'm not gonna put up a fight

3562
02:48:54,370 --> 02:48:50,090
no no they couldn't have done it but but

3563
02:48:56,920 --> 02:48:54,380
yeah there's the other part of this and

3564
02:48:59,920 --> 02:48:56,930
both theories can't be right okay and

3565
02:49:01,240 --> 02:48:59,930
that is this if they were doing that

3566
02:49:05,410 --> 02:49:01,250
this is what's crazy if they were

3567
02:49:08,290 --> 02:49:05,420
aligning to the stars and and getting

3568
02:49:10,840 --> 02:49:08,300
True North out of the Stars which by the

3569
02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:10,850
way today True North and the way the

3570
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:12,890
stars were five thousand years ago now

3571
02:49:16,809 --> 02:49:16,160
we're actually off by a degree at War

3572
02:49:18,760 --> 02:49:16,819
two

3573
02:49:20,500 --> 02:49:18,770
and I've said so I have a hard time

3574
02:49:22,570 --> 02:49:20,510
dealing with that but the other point is

3575
02:49:28,719 --> 02:49:22,580
if we're talking about doing it in the

3576
02:49:34,420 --> 02:49:28,729
dark and hedges I you are lining up 13

3577
02:49:37,120 --> 02:49:34,430
acres of land with stone that is being

3578
02:49:39,309 --> 02:49:37,130
laid as the bedrock for the Great

3579
02:49:42,940 --> 02:49:39,319
Pyramid before the the pyramid was even

3580
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:42,950
built and as that foundation was leveled

3581
02:49:51,010 --> 02:49:47,840
and orientated TrueNorth at night well

3582
02:49:54,250 --> 02:49:51,020
wait a minute it just it says it doesn't

3583
02:49:57,940 --> 02:49:54,260
work or they did it with water during

3584
02:50:00,370 --> 02:49:57,950
the day and I understand that idea too

3585
02:50:03,460 --> 02:50:00,380
but both can't be right

3586
02:50:06,010 --> 02:50:03,470
see you understand what I'm saying it

3587
02:50:08,019 --> 02:50:06,020
just doesn't make sense to me you mean

3588
02:50:09,671 --> 02:50:08,029
you mean because one one method was

3589
02:50:11,711 --> 02:50:09,681
during the day and the other

3590
02:50:14,171 --> 02:50:11,721
yeah you're leveling during the day and

3591
02:50:17,831 --> 02:50:14,181
then you're straightening it back out at

3592
02:50:26,951 --> 02:50:17,841
night to the star yeah wait you just no

3593
02:50:32,381 --> 02:50:29,350
what's the inaccurate it's not accurate

3594
02:50:33,671 --> 02:50:32,391
well I you know what I'm really looking

3595
02:50:35,111 --> 02:50:33,681
forward to tomorrow night when

3596
02:50:36,761 --> 02:50:35,121
Christopher done is going to be on your

3597
02:50:41,281 --> 02:50:36,771
program and you know he knows of course

3598
02:50:44,261 --> 02:50:41,291
Martin Easler he knows Dennis stock and

3599
02:50:46,930 --> 02:50:44,271
you should ask him that question he's it

3600
02:50:51,581 --> 02:50:46,940
was it possible for them to do it I am I

3601
02:50:56,321 --> 02:50:51,591
can't wait but this is and I'm gonna ask

3602
02:50:57,961 --> 02:50:56,331
you about this what the the historians

3603
02:51:00,190 --> 02:50:57,971
of the world whether we're talking about

3604
02:51:02,350 --> 02:51:00,200
Egyptologist or archaeologists or

3605
02:51:07,031 --> 02:51:02,360
anthropology matter they're all going to

3606
02:51:11,921 --> 02:51:07,041
tell you the same thing that at 5000 BC

3607
02:51:15,461 --> 02:51:11,931
4000 BC 3,000 BC that was Stone Age man

3608
02:51:18,611 --> 02:51:15,471
that's that was Stone Age man so they

3609
02:51:20,470 --> 02:51:18,621
have and and then they will suggest well

3610
02:51:23,711 --> 02:51:20,480
you're not giving them enough credit

3611
02:51:24,821 --> 02:51:23,721
they were actually smarter than then

3612
02:51:27,341 --> 02:51:24,831
wait a minute

3613
02:51:31,091 --> 02:51:27,351
was it Stone Age man or not that's the

3614
02:51:33,781 --> 02:51:31,101
first thing how smart were they and then

3615
02:51:37,211 --> 02:51:33,791
the flip side of it is you're asking us

3616
02:51:40,781 --> 02:51:37,221
to accept that Stone Age man had grasp

3617
02:51:43,631 --> 02:51:40,791
of all of these concepts of heavy

3618
02:51:45,791 --> 02:51:43,641
engineering of astronomy of all of this

3619
02:51:48,970 --> 02:51:45,801
now you can't have it both ways and

3620
02:51:51,581 --> 02:51:48,980
that's what they are asking us to to

3621
02:51:54,401 --> 02:51:51,591
swallow and I'm yeah that's why I go

3622
02:51:56,440 --> 02:51:54,411
with it wasn't stony it wasn't the

3623
02:51:59,560 --> 02:51:56,450
Egyptians that built it that's all that

3624
02:52:01,841 --> 02:51:59,570
I'm saying so this is what I would say

3625
02:52:03,401 --> 02:52:01,851
I'm let me put myself in the shoes of an

3626
02:52:05,081 --> 02:52:03,411
Egyptologist they were they might say to

3627
02:52:09,491 --> 02:52:05,091
you Jimmy as if you look at first

3628
02:52:11,770 --> 02:52:09,501
dynasty mastabas they're incredible they

3629
02:52:13,720 --> 02:52:11,780
were probably just as mind-boggling as

3630
02:52:16,541 --> 02:52:13,730
the pyramids and they were built in the

3631
02:52:21,251 --> 02:52:16,551
first dynasty you know on the hillsides

3632
02:52:23,201 --> 02:52:21,261
in saqqara Abydos yeah go ahead I in

3633
02:52:27,190 --> 02:52:23,211
Abydos yes I

3634
02:52:29,321 --> 02:52:27,200
yes yes so even in even you know one of

3635
02:52:31,991 --> 02:52:29,331
those or two of those actually had a

3636
02:52:34,301 --> 02:52:32,001
small precursor of a pyramid over the

3637
02:52:37,390 --> 02:52:34,311
burial chamber so for example there's a

3638
02:52:40,270 --> 02:52:37,400
queen of junior her name was Harry

3639
02:52:43,361 --> 02:52:40,280
Knight and hers is the southernmost

3640
02:52:46,541 --> 02:52:43,371
mastaba on the on the Saqqara ridge and

3641
02:52:49,301 --> 02:52:46,551
it's a first dynasty Queen and her herd

3642
02:52:51,131 --> 02:52:49,311
must hurt mastaba is huge with the you

3643
02:52:52,781 --> 02:52:51,141
know with the paneled facade and with

3644
02:52:57,730 --> 02:52:52,791
the bull horns in the front it's they're

3645
02:53:01,720 --> 02:52:57,740
mind-boggling and so that that burial

3646
02:53:03,310 --> 02:53:01,730
chamber had had a pyramid like roof so

3647
02:53:04,871 --> 02:53:03,320
this is so you know an Egyptologist

3648
02:53:07,211 --> 02:53:04,881
might say well you know what they did

3649
02:53:11,051 --> 02:53:07,221
that you there is sort of a gradient of

3650
02:53:13,361 --> 02:53:11,061
gradual technology technological advance

3651
02:53:14,651 --> 02:53:13,371
and it leads up to the pyramid age you

3652
02:53:17,230 --> 02:53:14,661
know you have to step here at the small

3653
02:53:18,730 --> 02:53:17,240
step pyramids then you have just oh I'm

3654
02:53:21,220 --> 02:53:18,740
sorry you have to sayers pyramid then

3655
02:53:24,701 --> 02:53:21,230
you have the other step you stack em

3656
02:53:27,881 --> 02:53:24,711
what's a safe MCAT and Kaaba the right

3657
02:53:29,560 --> 02:53:27,891
pyramid sure right and then and then all

3658
02:53:31,781 --> 02:53:29,570
of a sudden you have to my doom pyramid

3659
02:53:33,821 --> 02:53:31,791
and then it gets cased that's and and

3660
02:53:36,161 --> 02:53:33,831
and for and then before that you have to

3661
02:53:38,350 --> 02:53:36,171
build append pyramid which gets case so

3662
02:53:40,151 --> 02:53:38,360
they would say there is a gradient but

3663
02:53:41,621 --> 02:53:40,161
you know what I I but I agree with you

3664
02:53:43,211 --> 02:53:41,631
at some point you still have the same

3665
02:53:46,301 --> 02:53:43,221
problem how did you get the stones up

3666
02:53:48,190 --> 02:53:46,311
there right how did you how did you

3667
02:53:50,501 --> 02:53:48,200
finish the pyramids in this amount of

3668
02:53:54,190 --> 02:53:50,511
time so it's always the same question so

3669
02:53:56,140 --> 02:53:54,200
I I completely accept at this point both

3670
02:53:58,720 --> 02:53:56,150
sides of this equation and I think it's

3671
02:54:01,151 --> 02:53:58,730
just you could both be right yeah I mean

3672
02:54:04,751 --> 02:54:01,161
I'm reserving my judgment this is and

3673
02:54:07,841 --> 02:54:04,761
this is this is my funky way of looking

3674
02:54:14,081 --> 02:54:07,851
at that from Saqqara you can see the

3675
02:54:16,751 --> 02:54:14,091
Giza Plateau right and so why not it's a

3676
02:54:18,911 --> 02:54:16,761
very simple thing your your primitive

3677
02:54:22,361 --> 02:54:18,921
culture right first I see you're looking

3678
02:54:25,751 --> 02:54:22,371
across the desert at the Giza Plateau

3679
02:54:27,881 --> 02:54:25,761
and you're trying to imitate what you

3680
02:54:31,331 --> 02:54:27,891
are saying oh it's a good point that's

3681
02:54:33,881 --> 02:54:31,341
it you're trying to eradicate that and

3682
02:54:35,201 --> 02:54:33,891
they never pulled it off right so it's

3683
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:35,211
that simple it's not the other way

3684
02:54:38,469 --> 02:54:35,840
around

3685
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:38,479
built their way up to it and the the the

3686
02:54:42,670 --> 02:54:39,680
other thing is this

3687
02:54:45,219 --> 02:54:42,680
it's simple math when I look at the

3688
02:54:47,560 --> 02:54:45,229
construction period of all of the

3689
02:54:50,830 --> 02:54:47,570
pyramids that were built before the

3690
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:50,840
Great Pyramid and the plateau now we're

3691
02:54:57,849 --> 02:54:54,800
talking about hundreds of thousands of

3692
02:55:01,570 --> 02:54:57,859
people that were doing nothing but

3693
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:01,580
building pyramids all the time but

3694
02:55:06,400 --> 02:55:03,920
that's it that you didn't have and that

3695
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:06,410
you didn't have another gig in Egypt

3696
02:55:10,810 --> 02:55:08,560
everybody there was building pyramids

3697
02:55:12,730 --> 02:55:10,820
all right and they were going from

3698
02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:12,740
building site to building site they were

3699
02:55:17,889 --> 02:55:14,570
building these things every five or ten

3700
02:55:20,440 --> 02:55:17,899
years you know and there's you know 75

3701
02:55:24,849 --> 02:55:20,450
pyramids that were attempted before the

3702
02:55:26,860 --> 02:55:24,859
great pyramids and I just don't see the

3703
02:55:29,620 --> 02:55:26,870
amount of coring and transporting and

3704
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:29,630
feeding and and everything else that had

3705
02:55:34,630 --> 02:55:32,090
to have been in place that math doesn't

3706
02:55:37,150 --> 02:55:34,640
work for me it's a pretty good economic

3707
02:55:40,719 --> 02:55:37,160
stimulus program right nobody had

3708
02:55:42,820 --> 02:55:40,729
another gig that's for sure you know

3709
02:55:44,349 --> 02:55:42,830
what I want I wanted to underline

3710
02:55:45,940 --> 02:55:44,359
something you just said I have actually

3711
02:55:48,400 --> 02:55:45,950
a great example for you know you said

3712
02:55:50,440 --> 02:55:48,410
Saqqara they they saw the pre-existing

3713
02:55:52,840 --> 02:55:50,450
pyramids and they tried to imitate it I

3714
02:55:55,630 --> 02:55:52,850
actually saw something like that next to

3715
02:55:59,110 --> 02:55:55,640
the Sphinx it was it was incredible I I

3716
02:56:02,200 --> 02:55:59,120
walked up to the mastaba of kyyy it's a

3717
02:56:05,440 --> 02:56:02,210
rock-cut tomb it's the most bizarre tomb

3718
02:56:07,060 --> 02:56:05,450
I think in all of Giza and I'm standing

3719
02:56:10,270 --> 02:56:07,070
in front of this tomb and I think I'm

3720
02:56:12,010 --> 02:56:10,280
looking at a lying face and so and you

3721
02:56:14,050 --> 02:56:12,020
know and Colin reader has done great

3722
02:56:17,710 --> 02:56:14,060
work there he's basically shown evidence

3723
02:56:19,830 --> 02:56:17,720
that that tomb or that that rock is not

3724
02:56:23,530 --> 02:56:19,840
fourth dynasty or fifth dynasty rather

3725
02:56:26,800 --> 02:56:23,540
so Kai II was a son of one of I think

3726
02:56:29,020 --> 02:56:26,810
monk hours wives but he's saying that

3727
02:56:32,290 --> 02:56:29,030
that was the first dynasty construction

3728
02:56:35,320 --> 02:56:32,300
and it was used by Kai II as a tomb

3729
02:56:38,050 --> 02:56:35,330
later and that would be an example

3730
02:56:40,360 --> 02:56:38,060
potentially if that is a lion face and I

3731
02:56:42,910 --> 02:56:40,370
showed it to Robert Schoch a couple of

3732
02:56:44,530 --> 02:56:42,920
nights ago and he he was shaking his

3733
02:56:46,540 --> 02:56:44,540
head and laughing we were both looking

3734
02:56:49,610 --> 02:56:46,550
at this picture and was saying yeah man

3735
02:56:51,440 --> 02:56:49,620
that's a lion face so I mean

3736
02:56:53,180 --> 02:56:51,450
when you go to Egypt next time Jimmy you

3737
02:56:55,430 --> 02:56:53,190
gotta look at this tomb tomb of khai II

3738
02:56:58,720 --> 02:56:55,440
stand in front of it and you think

3739
02:57:02,030 --> 02:56:58,730
you're looking at a prehistoric lion and

3740
02:57:04,370 --> 02:57:02,040
that and but but it's data to the first

3741
02:57:05,660 --> 02:57:04,380
dynasty and so that is a good example of

3742
02:57:07,341 --> 02:57:05,670
what you were just saying that could

3743
02:57:09,170 --> 02:57:07,351
have been an image and an act of

3744
02:57:11,180 --> 02:57:09,180
imitation they saw the Sphinx which of

3745
02:57:13,280 --> 02:57:11,190
course was sitting Mohito sitting there

3746
02:57:15,140 --> 02:57:13,290
right for thousands of years and they

3747
02:57:17,150 --> 02:57:15,150
see that and they try to build a tomb

3748
02:57:19,160 --> 02:57:17,160
right next to it that has the face of a

3749
02:57:22,670 --> 02:57:19,170
lion what a fascinating conversation

3750
02:57:25,310 --> 02:57:22,680
tonight manu I can't wait to to get you

3751
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:25,320
back on the show and we'll continue all

3752
02:57:34,910 --> 02:57:31,610
of this I hope that you are prepared for

3753
02:57:37,301 --> 02:57:34,920
the the comments and what is about to

3754
02:57:39,650 --> 02:57:37,311
follow in the days and weeks ahead

3755
02:57:41,390 --> 02:57:39,660
following the publishing of this paper I

3756
02:57:43,820 --> 02:57:41,400
mean you know that that's what you do

3757
02:57:46,011 --> 02:57:43,830
you've got to roll that rock uphill and

3758
02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:46,021
this paper is fascinating thank you so

3759
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:48,090
much you were amazing so me check you so

3760
02:57:52,700 --> 02:57:50,640
much and next night there absolutely and

3761
02:57:53,960 --> 02:57:52,710
enjoy the rest of your night and I can't

3762
02:57:55,960 --> 02:57:53,970
wait to get you back on the show thank

3763
02:58:01,070 --> 02:57:55,970
you so much take care

3764
02:58:04,490 --> 02:58:01,080
manu SEF Sade unbelievable conversation

3765
02:58:07,520 --> 02:58:04,500
now we will get his paper up I've got

3766
02:58:09,410 --> 02:58:07,530
I've got the real paper here I've been

3767
02:58:11,210 --> 02:58:09,420
blessed but we'll get the links up to

3768
02:58:13,850 --> 02:58:11,220
where everybody can go and have access

3769
02:58:16,370 --> 02:58:13,860
to it it's unbelievable

3770
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:16,380
tomorrow night on this show right here

3771
02:58:22,430 --> 02:58:19,920
Christopher Dunne for night two of our

3772
02:58:23,600 --> 02:58:22,440
Egypt week here on fade to black - stay

3773
02:58:24,140 --> 02:58:23,610
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3774
02:58:26,960 --> 02:58:24,150
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3775
02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:26,970
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3776
02:58:31,280 --> 02:58:28,890
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3780
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3782
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02:58:58,050 --> 02:58:56,319
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3786
02:58:59,790 --> 02:58:58,060
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02:59:05,370 --> 02:59:01,689
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3789
02:59:07,739 --> 02:59:05,380
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3790
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3791
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